Greg.jpg Aug 12, 2014 @ 10:38am
Martin Septim is a Dragonborn and you are a Septim
Heres how I explain my theory:
-In Oblivion, they refer to Martin as the Dragonborn while on the main storyline as he is being brought to Cloud Ruler Temple.
-The Blades are sworn to "protect the emporer" in Oblivion, but then sworn to "protect the Dragonborn" In Skyrim.. but there is no difference. Anyone along the Septim Bloodline is a Dragonborn.
-In Oblivion, Martin worshipped the divine Akatosh, a diety that takes the form of a dragon, and Martin is even able to transform into the Avatar of Akatosh.
-In Skyrim, the emporer Titus Mead II "knows" you are coming to kill him. Not because you are an assasin, but because you hold the rightful place on the throne. This means the Septim Bloodline did not die off, it was just secretive until the Dragonborn was needed again.
-In Skyrim, Talos plays a big part in the game itself, but sadly enough you do not meet him, maybe hinting to that you were supposed to be the next divine. (Before the Dragonborn was corrupted and whatnot.)

That is my theory. What is yours? Feel free to comment below.
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Mister E Aug 12, 2014 @ 10:46am 
Well, then someone has a lot of explaining to do, because the next heir has a tail and is covered in fur ;)
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Greg.jpg Aug 12, 2014 @ 10:49am 
lel there is cross breeding with different races in the elder scrolls
Two Bears Aug 12, 2014 @ 10:51am 
My theory is that the new Skyrim concept of what a dragonborn is and was forced a retcon of what is means to be dragonborn, hence the first book you run across explains that new retroactive continuity. As such Septims couldn't shout and the Skyrim player character is not royalty because reasons, and is all the rationale we are likely to get.
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Brandybuck Aug 12, 2014 @ 10:51am 
So my Argonian is a descendent of Talos?
Vahlok Ro Tiid Aug 12, 2014 @ 1:24pm 
My theory is that the Dragonborn is a direct incarnation from Akatosh to fulfill a destiny and a prophecy. Whatever race is chosen to play that character is for all practical purposes, the incarnation from Akatosh. So, it wasn't limited to "humans".
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Beautiful Banjo Aug 12, 2014 @ 2:23pm 
Originally posted by White Rabbit "Alice":
tried this argument before. for whatever reason i dont realize why Martin or Siber never "Shouted"
and why another emporer being on the throne would be a mystery, and why would you get picked by the blades with this many dragonbornes (whom, in theory they are supposed to guard)....makes no sense. someone explained its a different era, "different" meaning of dragonborn

i dunno, ill guess the septim (True Dragonblood) (Undead or Spirit) family are the ones in some certain degree controlling the "Dragons" hence Dragonborne, makes no sense to me but since the above dosent really either,ill take a pot shot at it

Well, the reason Talos couldn't shout was explained in Lore. An assasin slit his throat, but instead of dying, he lost the ability to shout.
Two Bears Aug 12, 2014 @ 2:43pm 
Interracial offspring do occur but they always tend to fall into one of the established racial profiles. So, no, you won't see anything like a half-elf race like you do in other settings. There are bretons, but that's not the type of "half-elf" we're talking about here.
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[FModH]Brassqund Aug 12, 2014 @ 2:49pm 
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring. Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the "fur" that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.

The reproductive biology of orcs is at present not well understood, and the same is true of goblins, trolls, harpies, dreugh, tsaesci, imga, various daedra and many others. Certainly, there have been cases of intercourse between these "races," generally in the nature of ♥♥♥♥ or magickal seduction, but there have been no documented cases of pregnancy. Still the interfertility of these creatures and the civilized hominids has yet to be empirically established or refuted, likely due to the deep cultural differences. Surely any normal Bosmer or Breton impregnated by an orc would keep that shame to herself, and there's no reason to suppose that an orc maiden impregnated by a human would not be likewise ostracized by her society. Regrettably, our oaths as healers keep us from forcing a coupling to satisfy our scientific knowledge. We do know, however, that the sload of Thras are hermaphrodites in their youth and later reabsorb their reproductive organs once they are old enough to move about on land. It can be safely assumed that they are not interfertile with men or mer.

One might further wonder whether the proper classification of these same "races," to use the imprecise but useful term, should be made from the assumption of a common heritage and the differences between them have arisen from magickal experimentation, the manipulations of the so-called "Earth Bones," or from gradual changes from one generation to the next.


So...
they are not sure about argonians, Khajiit and orcs... because even if there is stories
about that, there is any got proof (we can't trust people words)


But here what I think:
The dragonborn SHOULD be a Nord but we can still choose an other race
and still be the dragonborn. Why? because... it is a GAME.
They wanted to had a heroic story, a legend of the nord...
but removing the race choice would be a BIG mistake...
so they just let that like that saying: "doesn't matter if that doesn't make sense,
no one will care."

Also, there is one thing... it is not really on the subject but...
A lot of stuff about tiber septim and stuff are LEGENDS...
a lot of stuff was probably make better, some details
not mentionned an stuff litteraly fake.
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SpeedFreak Aug 12, 2014 @ 2:57pm 
Dragonborn is not always a Nord Miraak isn't a Nord if I'm right .... And yes it's a game lore is fine however some do forget that it is game and the lore is made up by bethesda ....
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Golmore Aug 12, 2014 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Brassqund:
The reproductive biology of orcs is at present not well understood...

Orcs are elves in TES, so their reproduction should be just like that of other elves. And there is also http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Agronak_gro-Malog who had an vampire Imperial for a father. So Orc crossbreeds are established in the lore.
[FModH]Brassqund Aug 12, 2014 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by SpeedFreak:
Dragonborn is not always a Nord Miraak isn't a Nord if I'm right ....
He was a dragon priest of Solstheim where the ancien
Nord was living. That's all we know. (well, all I can find)

Originally posted by Golmore:
Originally posted by Brassqund:
The reproductive biology of orcs is at present not well understood...

Orcs are elves in TES, so their reproduction should be just like that of other elves. And there is also http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Agronak_gro-Malog who had an vampire Imperial for a father. So Orc crossbreeds are established in the lore.
Well, not according of the author of that book.
He can be wrong... (I remember that orc vampire thing... I play a lot oblivion)

Also, this is still a game... (well, 5...) mistake or illogical things happen...
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Grathagis Aug 12, 2014 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by SpeedFreak:
Dragonborn is not always a Nord Miraak isn't a Nord if I'm right .... And yes it's a game lore is fine however some do forget that it is game and the lore is made up by bethesda ....
Miraak is a nord. At least his face is.
SpeedFreak Aug 12, 2014 @ 3:03pm 
Oh well I don't really care it's only a game ...
di eshor ribly Aug 12, 2014 @ 3:09pm 
It's been a while since I played Oblivion, but if I remember right, the Mythic Dawn assassinated the Emperor Uriel Septim and his two acknowledged heirs, and Martin did not have any heirs himself since he took his vows of priesthood without knowing he was the lost son of Uriel. The Septim line died with Martin, so I do not believe that the player has any blood rights to the throne. If you are going by the whole "Blood of Akatosh is the Dragonborn, and rightful Emperor" logic, then Miraak should be the person with the strongest claim to the throne, being the "first" Dragonborn still living.

I believe the bloodline of Emperor Titus Meade was related to the Septims, but not directly. I think it was an offshoot branch, like a cousin taking the throne after Martin's death. The family has had a history of having the Sight, letting them foresee certain events, like Uriel knowing the Mythic Dawn would kill him that day, or Emperor Titus knowing the DB would kill him as well.
MorningLightMountain Aug 12, 2014 @ 3:17pm 
Originally posted by Brassqund:
Originally posted by SpeedFreak:
Dragonborn is not always a Nord Miraak isn't a Nord if I'm right ....
He was a dragon priest of Solstheim where the ancien
Nord was living. That's all we know. (well, all I can find)

Originally posted by Golmore:

Orcs are elves in TES, so their reproduction should be just like that of other elves. And there is also http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Agronak_gro-Malog who had an vampire Imperial for a father. So Orc crossbreeds are established in the lore.
Well, not according of the author of that book.
He can be wrong... (I remember that orc vampire thing... I play a lot oblivion)

Also, this is still a game... (well, 5...) mistake or illogical things happen...

There is an internal lore book though and the Orcs are also called Orsimer. They are also one of the Mer races you need the blood from for Septimus.
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