Need help with exterior CTD

[xCres679]

So to just get on with it, the CTDs occur, whenever I try to wander outside in the world.
Here are some cases (Custom starts):
- Going outside of Solitude ( Instantly after activating the gate )
- Starting vanilla ( After loading screen )
- Going outside of starter cave ( After loading screen )
I use 182 mods, everything is cleaned with TES5EDIT (only did to try to solve this problem), sorted with the latest version of LOOT. SKSE is up to date.
I was installing everything very carefully, looking for a lot of patches.
I downloaded various of stability or memory mods, patches (SKSE plugin preloader, SKSE patch, enboost etc...)
I tried disabling some of the mods that could be the cause: texture enhancers, enviroment changers, weather changers, city expanders and even world map changers ....
I did not touch MCM menu yet, but I don't feel like the problem is there.
I tried verifying the game cache, did not work, cleaning master files again, did not work.
I used 32bit mo skyproc patcher for patchus maximus as my game runs on 32 bit and the .jar file had a memory error.

I have 8GB ram, gtx 1050 ti, i3 6100 proc, windows 10.

Please help me find the problem because I'm out of ideas.

Here's my load order:

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     Campfire.esm
  7  7     RSkyrimChildren.esm
  8  8     WM Flora Fixes.esp
  9  9     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 10  a     ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
 11  b     HighResTexturePack01.esp
 12  c     HighResTexturePack02.esp
 13  d     HighResTexturePack03.esp
 14  e     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 15  f     SkyUI.esp
 16 10     Extended UI.esp
 17 11     iHUD.esp
 18 12     AHZmoreHUD.esp
 19 13     Customizable Camera.esp
 20 14     AMatterOfTime.esp
 21 15     AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
 22 16     UnreadBooksGlow.esp
 23 17     EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
 24 18     ELFX - Exteriors.esp
 25 19     RealisticRoomRental.esp
 26 1a     3DNPC.esp
 27 1b     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 28 1c     ETaC - Complete.esp
 29 1d     Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
 30 1e     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 31 1f     Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 32 20     Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
 33 21     Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
 34 22     Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
 35 23     Alchoverhaul_AllDLC.esp
 36 24     Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
 37 25     Rebirth Monster.esp
 38 26     Combat Evolved.esp
 39 27     RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
 40 28     PWwaterfall.esp
 41 29     Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
 42 2a     Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp
 43 2b     Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
 44 2c     SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
 45 2d     SoS - The Wilds.esp
 46 2e     OBIS.esp
 47 2f     SoS - Civilization.esp
 48 30     Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
 49 31     SoS - The Dungeons.esp
 50 32     Immersive Whiterun.esp
 51 33     Immersive Solstheim.esp
 52 34     BattleAftermath.esp
 53 35     Point The Way.esp
 54 36     Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
 55 37     SMIM-Merged-All.esp
 56 38     Run For Your Lives.esp
 57 39     Cloaks.esp
 58 3a     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 59 3b     RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
 60 3c     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp
 61 3d     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp
 62 3e     Bells of Skyrim.esp
 63 3f     Bells of Skyrim - Alternate Solitude.esp
 64 40     ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
 65 41     Frostfall.esp
 66 42     Smelter_Riften & Solitude.esp
 67 43     PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
 68 44     PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
 69 45     PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp
 70 46     AlchOverhaul_Perk.esp
 71 47     Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
 72 48     TradeRoutes.esp
 73 49     RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
 74 4a     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp
 75 4b     PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
 76 4c     Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp
 77 4d     PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
 78 4e     AOFoodoverhaul_AllDLC.esp
 79 4f     Better Skill and Quest Books Names - BS.esp
 80 50     LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp
 81 51     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp
 82 52     RealisticNights.esp
 83 53     0_Kas_CandlelightOrange.esp
 84 54     WetandCold.esp
 85 55     WetandCold - Ashes.esp
 86 56     fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp
 87 57     Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp
 88 58     SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp
 89 59     SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp
 90 5a     RealisticNightsDG.esp
 91 5b     ISC PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp
 92 5c     musicpack.esp
 93 5d     IHSS.esp
 94 5e     RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
 95 5f     RSChildren.esp
 96 60     RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp
 97 61     RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp
 98 62     Footprints.esp
 99 63     Patch - Interesting NPCs - RS kids.esp
100 64     TradeBarter.esp
101 65     TradeRoutes-RNaD-Patch.esp
102 66     moveitLWT.esp
103 67     NonEssentialChildren.esp
104 68     Bounty Gold.esp
105 69     Crime Overhaul.esp
106 6a     CrimeEnchanced.esp
107 6b     Beards.esp
108 6c     hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp
109 6d     Baraban-Steel-Helms.esp
110 6e     Baraban-Steel-Plate.esp
111 6f     Baraban-Dawnguard-Plate.esp
112 70     Bandit Patrols.esp
113 71     armored-horses.esp
114 72     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
115 73     Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
116 74     Cloaks - USLEEP Patch.esp
117 75     Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp
118 76     Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
119 77     Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
120 78     Immersive Weapons.esp
121 79     WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
122 7a     Unique Uniques.esp
123 7b     Animal Tweaks.esp
124 7c     Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
125 7d     PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
126 7e     PerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp
127 7f     OverflowingEnchant.esp
128 80     DeadlyDragons.esp
129 81     Improved Dragon Shouts.esp
130 82     Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp
131 83     Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp
132 84     PerkusMaximus_CombatPlus.esp
133 85     UltimateCombat.esp
134 86     Wildcat - Realistic Damage Plugin.esp
135 87     Mortal Enemies.esp
136 88     Mortal Enemies - AT Patch.esp
137 89     The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
138 8a     Immersive detection of NPC.esp
139 8b     Rebirth Monster - OBIS Patch.esp
140 8c     Rebirth Monster - USLEEP Patch.esp
141 8d     Animal Tweaks - OBIS Patch.esp
142 8e     Rebirth Monster - Animal Tweaks Patch.esp
143 8f     Rebirth Monster - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
144 90     OBISDB.esp
145 91     Rebirth Monster - OBISDB Patch.esp
146 92     Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
147 93     Rebirth Monster - CRF Patch.esp
148 94     Rebirth Monster - WAFR Patch.esp
149 95     Rebirth Monster - Clothing & Clutter Fixes Patch.esp
150 96     ISC CCF Patch.esp
151 97     ISC WAFR Patch.esp
152 98     360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
153 99     Realistic Death Physics - No Animations - Skyrim.esp
154 9a     Dual Sheath Redux.esp
155 9b     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
156 9c     Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
157 9d     dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
158 9e     dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
159 9f     ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
160 a0     EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp
161 a1     dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
162 a2     Traps Are Dangerous.esp
163 a3     Sickly Diseases.esp
164 a4     Deadly Traps.esp
165 a5     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp
166 a6     ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp
167 a7     Destructible_bottles.esp
168 a8     College of Winterhold Entry Requirements (Khajiit Speak).esp
169 a9     College of Winterhold Entry Requirements (Normal).esp
170 aa     Civil War Cleanup.esp
171 ab     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp
172 ac     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp
173 ad     Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (PseudoVanilla).esp
174 ae     OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp
175 af     HoldBorderBanners.esp
176 b0     No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
177 b1     RRR_NSUtR-Patch.esp
178 b2     mjhReducedGoldRewards.esp
179 b3     Purewaters.esp
180 b4     RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
181 b5     RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
182 b6     RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
183 b7     SFO - Dragonborn.esp
184 b8     Grass_On_Steroids_SFO-SHORT.esp
185 b9     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
186 ba     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
187 bb     RealisticNightsCOT_DB.esp
188 bc     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
189 bd     ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
190 be     CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
191 bf     Vividian - Extended Weathers - CoT.esp
192 c0     CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
193 c1     CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
194 c2     Beautiful Whiterun.esp
195 c3     PlayerHomeMapMarkers.esp
196 c4     RealisticWhiterun.esp
197 c5     ServicesAssets.esp
198 c6     TradeRoutes-ETaC-Patch.esp
199 c7     IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
200 c8     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
201 c9     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
202 ca     RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
203 cb     Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
204 cc     Bells of Skyrim - ICAIO Patch.esp
205 cd     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
206 ce     ELFXEnhancer.esp
207 cf     Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
208 d0     PatchusMaximus.esp
209 d1     Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

[dcitrigno]

well so far I don't see anything that would give you CTD, outright , Immersive Armours can give you a problem with the cart ride to helgen, since you didn't mention it I'll assume you keep your mods killed until after you left Helgen.

I also notice the mod to do with entry requirements ( collage of winterhold) you have both a normal and a Khajitt variant , disable one or the other, you can't run both since they affect the same thing.

another thing I've notice is you have several Patches that refernece a mod with the Initals RRR , I don't see a mod that match those Initials.

Suggestion use TES5EDit to find the missing or out of place Masters.

to do this simply run TES5Edit, right click and choose Select all , then click OK let it do it's thing.

If it stops at any point read error message(s) and make any changes it suggest from with in your mod manager (plugin tab)

another thing, with NMM if you look in your plugins tab did you notice any of the plug ins with red text, this is NMM's way of telling you the Plugin may have a problem.
click on the plugin with the red text and read what it says in the right pane of the mod manger.

One other thing about patches, to use them you need to make sure that all the mods that patch refer to are installed and active and that the patch is place below them in your load order in order for the patch to be effective.


Finally and this last suggestion is entirely up to you to decide - Perma, this Mod is a Perk Mod there is a far less involved Mod that will do a simular thing but without the need of Reproccer, It's called Ordinator, however if you really need the extra things that Perma gives then stick with it otherwise I'd go with Ordinator.

I hope this helps because the alternate is to turn off all your mods and to check your game minus them then slowly add them back one or two at a time until you get the problem again.

btw, I seem to remember that the executable Jar for the 32bit had a problem i think you can work around it by using the alternate Jar file.(troubleshooting one)

[xCres679]

Originally posted by dcitrigno:

well so far I don't see anything that would give you CTD, outright , Immersive Armours can give you a problem with the cart ride to helgen, since you didn't mention it I'll assume you keep your mods killed until after you left Helgen.

I also notice the mod to do with entry requirements ( collage of winterhold) you have both a normal and a Khajitt variant , disable one or the other, you can't run both since they affect the same thing.

another thing I've notice is you have several Patches that refernece a mod with the Initals RRR , I don't see a mod that match those Initials.

Suggestion use TES5EDit to find the missing or out of place Masters.

to do this simply run TES5Edit, right click and choose Select all , then click OK let it do it's thing.

If it stops at any point read error message(s) and make any changes it suggest from with in your mod manager (plugin tab)

another thing, with NMM if you look in your plugins tab did you notice any of the plug ins with red text, this is NMM's way of telling you the Plugin may have a problem.
click on the plugin with the red text and read what it says in the right pane of the mod manger.

One other thing about patches, to use them you need to make sure that all the mods that patch refer to are installed and active and that the patch is place below them in your load order in order for the patch to be effective.


Finally and this last suggestion is entirely up to you to decide - Perma, this Mod is a Perk Mod there is a far less involved Mod that will do a simular thing but without the need of Reproccer, It's called Ordinator, however if you really need the extra things that Perma gives then stick with it otherwise I'd go with Ordinator.

I hope this helps because the alternate is to turn off all your mods and to check your game minus them then slowly add them back one or two at a time until you get the problem again.

btw, I seem to remember that the executable Jar for the 32bit had a problem i think you can work around it by using the alternate Jar file.(troubleshooting one)

I disabled College of Winterhold Requirements (Khajiit speak), it did not help but will surely not cause a problem further on, thanks for that.

Everything is right about RRR patches, I made sure of that.

TES5EDIT loaded all mods successfully.

If some plugin is red texted in nexus mod manager, then that plugin is missing a master and causes CTD right after starting the game.

I tried both Perkus and Ordinator, and I like perma a lot more.

Thanks for your time, I appreciate it.

[Uncle64]

You have several of small issues in your load order, non of the should make the game ctd.

Do you have autosave on?
It may be that since your game is unstable due to errors in load.
It takes one toll of the game engine to save. you may have your ctd issue there.

Some errors you have.
This are LVL lists plugins must be loaded last. And they are in wrong order.
118 76 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
119 77 Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

Must be loaded before RND.
179 b3 Purewaters.esp

Remove and take your car and run over it.
138 8a Immersive detection of NPC.esp

Masterlist: Dangerous, Outdated and Superseded Mods - v5 VITAL UPDATE PLEASE READ
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681422555089/

You should not clean all mods, some mods do have "errors" in them for working properly.

[xCres679]

Originally posted by Uncle64SwE:

You have several of small issues in your load order, non of the should make the game ctd.

Do you have autosave on?
It may be that since your game is unstable due to errors in load.
It takes one toll of the game engine to save. you may have your ctd issue there.

Some errors you have.
This are LVL lists plugins must be loaded last. And they are in wrong order.
118 76 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
119 77 Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

Must be loaded before RND.
179 b3 Purewaters.esp

Remove and take your car and run over it.
138 8a Immersive detection of NPC.esp

Masterlist: Dangerous, Outdated and Superseded Mods - v5 VITAL UPDATE PLEASE READ
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681422555089/

You should not clean all mods, some mods do have "errors" in them for working properly.

I will just reinstall everything ... again ... one by one.
Also idk if loot is a lot better than doing it manually, as you can see it has some load order problems.

[Uncle64]

You must have LOOT to sort it up first and fine tune your load, before you start to make any patches.
That is also one must.

[xCres679]

Originally posted by Uncle64SwE:

You must have LOOT to sort it up first and fine tune your load, before you start to make any patches.
That is also one must.

Alright, thanks a lot. I've replaced the outdated mods according to your shared link.