Crashing on Save Issue.

[LostAngel1000]

So I have had this in the past and thought I had it solved but once again it is back and I can not figure out why I am crashing when ever I save or the game Auto Saves. I am unsure what would cause such a reoccuring issue, where it seems fixed and working for a while then will come back. Does any one know how to correct this and correct it so I can be sure its not happening again at least any time soon??

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
7 7 WM Flora Fixes.esp
8 8 Campfire.esm
9 9 HighResTexturePack01.esp
10 a HighResTexturePack02.esp
11 b HighResTexturePack03.esp
12 c Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
13 d TouringCarriages.esp
14 e Traps Are Dangerous.esp
15 f AMatterOfTime.esp
16 10 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
17 11 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
18 12 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
19 13 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
20 14 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
21 15 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp
22 16 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
23 17 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
24 18 Knapsack Enhanced.esp
25 19 Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
26 1a SkyUI.esp
27 1b SSoB.esp
28 1c Purity.esp
29 1d Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
30 1e Cloaks.esp
31 1f WondersofWeather.esp
32 20 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
33 21 Immersive Weapons.esp
34 22 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
35 23 Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
36 24 Hunterborn.esp
37 25 Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
38 26 Frostfall.esp
39 27 Blacksmith Chests.esp
40 28 Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp
41 29 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
42 2a The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
43 2b BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
44 2c Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
45 2d WetandCold.esp
46 2e WetandCold - Ashes.esp
47 2f WM Trap Fixes.esp
48 30 iNeed.esp
49 31 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
50 32 Convenient Horses.esp
51 33 1nivWICCloaks.esp
52 34 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
53 35 Hunterborn_BlacksmithChest_Patch.esp
54 36 FNIS.esp
55 37 Dr_Bandolier.esp
56 38 LFox Better Thieves Guild Practice Locks.esp
57 39 CACO_USLEEP_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp
58 3a Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp
CACO_AOS_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Requiem-Patch.esp
CACO_CoinReplacer_Patch.esp
CACO_ETaC_Patch.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures+DLC2_Patch.esp
CACO_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp
CACO_GrayCowl_Patch.esp
CACO_InvisibilityEyesFix_Patch.esp
CACO_MightyMagick_Patch.esp
CACO_RND_DestBottles_Patch.esp
CACO_RND_Patch.esp
59 3b CACO_UniqueBooze_Patch.esp
CACO_USKP_Patch.esp

my mods and lood order copied and pasted from LOOT, remember only the Numbered ones are in use.

I've also tried what I thought would help which is go in to my saves folder and delete all my Auto saves and quick save as well as my most recent hard save trying to de bloat my saves if thats the cause of the issue. No luck. So any and all advance on how to fix this is well welcomed as I rather not either lose my almost lvl 40 character or have to go back a ton of hours :/

[BinaryMessiah]

Download Wrye Bash and create a bashed patch. If it still crashes, you need to restart your game. Crashing on save usually means you've removed too many mods during your play through. #1 rule of modding Skyrim is you CAN NOT remove mods once you install them unless they are only texture or mesh mods.

[Ilja]

Nothing pops out from the load order.

This is important. Have you disabled any mods from ongoing game?

If you have huge amount of hard saves, then try to delete them. I only use 10-20 hard saves. For some reason excessive amount of saves causes crashing.

[Ilja]

I didn't see Ivory_Soul's post, while typing. That was the reason why I was asking about deleting mods from ongoing game.

Though, you can delete mod that are not just texture/mesh replacements, if they are not using any scripts and are subjects to Skyrim respawn system.

The number of those mods isn't really high. Examples would be Immersive Patrols and Climates of Tamriel. Not all mods patching CoT are safe to remove, because they can fiddle with other matters as well.

Issues with other mods is that Skyirm bakes script data to save files. Save Script Cleaners will remove obsolete entries from the world (bloat), but not the data merged to game. Papyrus will keep checking after missing data, causing errors, slowing down and eventually causing stack dumps.

Removing mods without scripts can also be dangerous. In examples above: IP uses vanilla spawns and CoT only edits weather records. Game will refresh both, so they are safe to remove. However, if mod would create direct world edits, then game might not be able to refresh the area. This can cause oddities and issues, which can vary from annoying to critical.

Determing what can and can not get safely removed from the game is something that player should know, so it is always best to ask from either mod support thread or from us here in Steam forums.

[mrwibble]

Try downloading CASM from the Nexus, and letting it manage your save games for you. The vanilla autosave and quicksave functionality can be a little twitchy, and sometimes you'll crash on area transitions or after resting/waiting. CASM resolved this for me and others. Your mileage may vary, but you've nothing to lose by trying.

[LostAngel1000]

I was able to go back a bit not to far back but farther then I liked and get it working again but I will look into CASM. NO I didn't change any mods or delete any, which is a great question to ask but I'd mentioned if I had. Only mods I have ever removed were mods I was updating which should keep any issues from removing mods from happening since your replacing the mod with a better version. Plus its been Months since I updated any my mods.

I will go threw and delete my older hard saves to see if that keeps it from happening again any time soon, but I never use to have issues with lots of Saves.

[Gwizzz]

Try these to see if they help. Ps, backup your saves before proceeding.

1. Run a savegame cleaner and see there are any orphaned scripts running. Clean, save, try to reload cleaned save.

2. Load a save that worked.
Type into the console player.kill
The most recent save should load.
Create a new save.

Apparently when the player is killed the engine releases or resets some running scripts.

EDIT: if you downloaded any mods from the Steam workshop that were modified by the author, your copies were updated to the newest version regardless of whether you wanted them to or not. This can cause issues and is a big reason to not use Steam workshop.

[LostAngel1000]

Originally posted by Gwizzz:

Try these to see if they help. Ps, backup your saves before proceeding.

1. Run a savegame cleaner and see there are any orphaned scripts running. Clean, save, try to reload cleaned save.

2. Load a save that worked.
Type into the console player.kill
The most recent save should load.
Create a new save.

Apparently when the player is killed the engine releases or resets some running scripts.

EDIT: if you downloaded any mods from the Steam workshop that were modified by the author, your copies were updated to the newest version regardless of whether you wanted them to or not. This can cause issues and is a big reason to not use Steam workshop.

I only use Nexus Mods so no worries about it auto updating a mod amd breaking everything else. Can you link and good simple Saved Game cleaners?

I was able to go back a couple saves and make it work again but I am mostly now worried about it happening again down the line and what to do to keep it from happening or how to make sure it doesn't happen,

[SilentAegis]

Originally posted by LostAngel1000:

Originally posted by Gwizzz:

Try these to see if they help. Ps, backup your saves before proceeding.

1. Run a savegame cleaner and see there are any orphaned scripts running. Clean, save, try to reload cleaned save.

2. Load a save that worked.
Type into the console player.kill
The most recent save should load.
Create a new save.

Apparently when the player is killed the engine releases or resets some running scripts.

EDIT: if you downloaded any mods from the Steam workshop that were modified by the author, your copies were updated to the newest version regardless of whether you wanted them to or not. This can cause issues and is a big reason to not use Steam workshop.

I only use Nexus Mods so no worries about it auto updating a mod amd breaking everything else. Can you link and good simple Saved Game cleaners?

I was able to go back a couple saves and make it work again but I am mostly now worried about it happening again down the line and what to do to keep it from happening or how to make sure it doesn't happen,

Mainly, keeping your saves clean and not uninstalling mods mid-playthrough should be enough to ensure the issue doesn't rise again.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

This save cleaner has helped me many times in the past and still remains on my desktop. If you're uncomfortable downloading a program from a site, back-up your saves first and then go ahead.

I'd also turn off autosaves. They're EXTREMELY unreliable. As well as save often. So that if this does happen again ( which it likely will, modding games always bring issues ), you won't lose so much progress.

( Though ideally, you should back up your game before doing anything to it. )

[LostAngel1000]

Only mods I ever uninstall are mods I am updating which require to be first uninstalled and the newest verison installed, things like frostfall and the like mainly and thats been months now.

I might try turning Autosaving off but its helped me so often when I walk into a room and suddenly am in a fight against numbers or a power I didnt expect to see, but if that would help limit the chances of this issue of bloating I will consider it.

If its from Nexus Mods I normally trust it pretty well though never used a save cleaner before, so I probably should copy my saved game folder into some where else to try and make a back up of it before hand I guess :/

Modding does always have risks but all my time playing this is the only the second time I can think of where I had a serious issue with my saves, this is back even when skyrim was a baby and you might in a month update a dozen mods because of fixes and updates they did.

Only thing thats keeping me on the old skyrim not the new SE verision is waiting to see if SKSE64 ever happens which sadlly sounds less likely now then ever :(

[SilentAegis]

Originally posted by LostAngel1000:

Only mods I ever uninstall are mods I am updating which require to be first uninstalled and the newest verison installed, things like frostfall and the like mainly and thats been months now.

I might try turning Autosaving off but its helped me so often when I walk into a room and suddenly am in a fight against numbers or a power I didnt expect to see, but if that would help limit the chances of this issue of bloating I will consider it.

If its from Nexus Mods I normally trust it pretty well though never used a save cleaner before, so I probably should copy my saved game folder into some where else to try and make a back up of it before hand I guess :/

Modding does always have risks but all my time playing this is the only the second time I can think of where I had a serious issue with my saves, this is back even when skyrim was a baby and you might in a month update a dozen mods because of fixes and updates they did.

Only thing thats keeping me on the old skyrim not the new SE verision is waiting to see if SKSE64 ever happens which sadlly sounds less likely now then ever :(

Just do what I do. Save everytime you zone ( meaning you see a loading screen ) and save everytime you get into a fight you know will take long or after a fight that didn't take long at all. It's actually not that tedious and eventually, it'll turn into habit.

While Nexus Mods are generally the safest, you should be concerned with how long the mod's last update was. If a mod was last updated in 2014, you probably shouldn't install it. It really depends on how complicated the mod is.

Like Undeath. That was last updated September 24th, 2013 and that adds a whole questline and an entirely new transformation. That's a mod you should avoid. ( Though the author did return recently )

But an armor mod that was last updated years ago should be safe. Should be.


I haven't paid much attention to SKSE64 because I really couldn't care less about SE, but I thought the development for SKSE64 was going strong.

[DeadlyMosquito]

I had mods on my game from the Steam workshop. I uninstalled them a few days ago. When i uninstalled the mods, i started having problems with my game crashing on quick saves, wait saves, and fast travel saves. I've uninstalled the game 3 times, reinstalled, but i am still having frequent game crashing. Also, when i verify the integrity of the game, there is always one file that fails to load. Any help on this would be great, thanks!

[smr1957]

Duff-Beer, you should really start your own thread if you have a problem. However, a quick answer - you cannot uninstall most mods mid-playthrough - this can break your game, as scripts and other info is baked into the save. Any save which relies on having those mods will most likely become unuseable. You must either reinstall all mods which were present in that save, go back to a save from before those mods were installed, or start a new game. Only purely graphics mods are safe to uninstall mid-playthrough. And one file always fails to validate:

"1 file will always fail to validate. It is related to how Steam detects your graphic card configurations and does not have any negative effect to your game.
Steam can't check your graphic card configurations, because they are in use. This is not a problem, because that file should be managed by your own computer and settings any way."

From Validating Master Files by Ilja -
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/535150948617437868/

[LostAngel1000]

So still having this issue off and on, I guess suggesting that I need to clean my saves? Though not sure how to do so I know there are save game cleaners including the one listed here but I am nervous on what effect they might have being inexperinced with them as well as unsure still as what and why I am having this issue so regularly.

I'm sure I follow updates safely on Nexus mod manager and do them safely as so they shouldn't been the cause of these crashing on save issues. Could that be why though eevn now months since I updated and only happening every so often? Honestly the crashing issue seems to happen right now mostly after I havent played for a day or 2 which is even odder as, why would me NOT playing create the issue when I know up till the save I make before quiting the game they game is working fine and saving right which makes me assume when I come back it will do the same, which it doesn't as most often now THAT is when I have the issue; when I load and go to save after not playing for a day or so from the last save I made before I exited the game.

Worse is It seems to effect a couple saves back still only to work right from a save 2 hours back or so it seems, or at least 2 or so hard saves back.

So any one have any thoughts? On things like why it happen only when I come back? Why it doesn't crash on save before then but when I come back from a known working state its only then messed up?

[smr1957]

Don't clean your saves - that is only for when updating mods (and should only be used as directed by mod author); if your saves are the problem using a script cleaner will not fix the issue. These two posts, while referring specifically to when mods are removed mid-playthrough, apply to the use of script cleaners in general as well:

Ilja:
"....Skyrim bakes script data to save file. There is no such thing as a clean save, when mod is removed. "Clean save" is for mod updates only. This includes work done with Save Script Cleaner. That tool cleans obsolete entries and orphaned scripts from the game, but script data will remain in the save file, causing Papryus to constantly check it and creating errors."

http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/343788552537617802/#c343788552538346202

And this, from Arthmoor:
"3. There is no such thing as a clean save. It does not matter who tells you there is, it doesn't exist in Skyrim. You cannot remove any mod, not even the patch, without there being some data that's been permanently changed. Doing this repeatedly WILL damage your save and WILL eventually lead to it becoming corrupt and unusable. Bethesda's own developers have confirmed the only way to properly remove a mod is to load a save made BEFORE that mod was introduced into the game. If you started a new game with 10 mods installed, you're going to be stuck with those 10 forever."

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch by Unofficial Patch Project Team - http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/?
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posted @ 2:08, 8 Feb 2016 , stickied at 2:08, 8 Feb 2016

As to your problem, not quite sure what could be causing it. Have you ever used console commands? Have you changed any of the .ini files? Have you changed the uGrids setting? Any of these items could be a potential cause, and they could have been done a while ago, and have just not shown up till now.

[Uncle64]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Don't clean your saves - that is only for when updating mods (and should only be used as directed by mod author); if your saves are the problem using a script cleaner will not fix the issue. These two posts, while referring specifically to when mods are removed mid-playthrough, apply to the use of script cleaners in general as well:

Ilja:
"....Skyrim bakes script data to save file. There is no such thing as a clean save, when mod is removed. "Clean save" is for mod updates only. This includes work done with Save Script Cleaner. That tool cleans obsolete entries and orphaned scripts from the game, but script data will remain in the save file, causing Papryus to constantly check it and creating errors."

http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/343788552537617802/#c343788552538346202

And this, from Arthmoor:
"3. There is no such thing as a clean save. It does not matter who tells you there is, it doesn't exist in Skyrim. You cannot remove any mod, not even the patch, without there being some data that's been permanently changed. Doing this repeatedly WILL damage your save and WILL eventually lead to it becoming corrupt and unusable. Bethesda's own developers have confirmed the only way to properly remove a mod is to load a save made BEFORE that mod was introduced into the game. If you started a new game with 10 mods installed, you're going to be stuck with those 10 forever."

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch by Unofficial Patch Project Team - http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/?
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posted @ 2:08, 8 Feb 2016 , stickied at 2:08, 8 Feb 2016

As to your problem, not quite sure what could be causing it. Have you ever used console commands? Have you changed any of the .ini files? Have you changed the uGrids setting? Any of these items could be a potential cause, and they could have been done a while ago, and have just not shown up till now.

Want to add to SMR1957:s post about cleaners.
You can wreck your save, since some of the older savecleaners also removes temp scripts that needs to run, if you remove them, you can run in to other not predicted issues.
Use cleaner tools whit care.
Always make sure that your loadorder and your files are in proper order before you use them.