Doctor Go-Go Oct 5, 2012 @ 10:35pm
Why disavow Invisible War when Human Revolution isn't much better?
I don't fully understand the disavowment of this game. It was one of the best games of it's time. The problem was it ran in slow mo when released, needed two patches to run okay but even then it was so sloppy, It need 10x the resources it should have. This isn't an issue anymore.

I'm not a huge fan of Invisible War but I feel Warren Spector will say anything. Every Deus Ex Game was/is great.
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Troy Nov 7, 2012 @ 5:11pm 
It's not how well it plays, it's the gameplay design. It's been dumbed down to the point of infancy.
Doctor Go-Go Nov 7, 2012 @ 7:51pm 
Deus Ex wasn't really much superior. Sure Invisible War could have been much better but I rather focus on the fact that it COULD have been much worse. But you are right, they simplified the game design, this is known, BUT not catostrophic.

I enjoyed all Deus Ex games and to complain about the design flaws now wouldn't... it doesn't matter. We got over it.
Sam Winchester Nov 21, 2012 @ 9:15pm 
I somehow missed the release of invisible war when it came out - loved the first game. Just beat invisible war now. Honestly, despite the bugs, it was one of the best games i've played, period. Even with all the fancy graphics and never ending worlds Skyrim's storyline is ten times more simple.

RT Dec 1, 2012 @ 2:46am 
Invisible War really does feel dumbed down like there's no tomorrow compared to the original. While NOT compared to the original, it's actually a pretty damn good stealth/shooter with RPG elements. And the beloved Human Revolution actually took some elements from it, in gameplay and story.
Doctor Go-Go Dec 1, 2012 @ 4:58pm 
Oh yes, Deus Ex is a classic. A true classic. A forgotten classic. :( But when anything goes to a game console it's usually dumbed down to fit the hardware and the simple tastes of the players.

I revisit the Deus Ex every now and again. It was one of the VERY few games I finished and didn't want it to end when it did.

Look at it this way... without any form of Deus Ex we're stuck with Homocidal Rampage shooter game 905, because THAT NEVER get old. It's not boring.
Reaver Dec 22, 2012 @ 12:49am 
lol comparing a playstation 2 with a computer is funny..... and while consoles have a limiting factor when compared to pc versions, there is really not that much difference which most of which is graphics.....how ever that does not mean that console players have simple tastes and deus ex invisable war played just fine on the playstation 2
Doctor Go-Go Dec 22, 2012 @ 8:54am 
Did they release IW for the PS2? I recall the original Released as Conspiracy Theory. The problem With IW was never the console versions. It was the fact that it was designed for a console then ported to the PC. Deus Ex Fans expected it to be designed for the PC. But that was their mistake because with Multi-platform releases it's always built for the weakest platform then ported to the others.

Even though it was ghetto and Buggy I still liked it. It originally ran at a jerky 15 FPS on 6800 Ultra (The best card at the time and the card a copy of Deus Ex IW came with), because that's how poor the porting was.. But once they fixed everthing it was fine. Took 2 or 3 patches before it was playable.

swaaye Dec 23, 2012 @ 9:26am 
DXIW's simple maps and low poly modeling are partly the fault of the stencil shadows. It's similar to what you see with FEAR and Doom3. It's a cool effect but the scene has to be kept relatively simple or the CPU will be horribly overburdened.

The gameplay design doesn't strike me as "dumbed down for consoles" but more "dumbed down by idiot game developers". Saying all console games are mind-numbingly simple is ridiculous and only shows one's naivety.

The game is certainly not stable or bug free regardless of the patches they put out.

DXHR was fun while it lasted. I don't think it has much replay value. I did find it more entertaining than DXIW which I still have not completed (partly because it crashes so much).
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Doctor Go-Go Dec 25, 2012 @ 5:13pm 
I know, I own all of them.
Bionicman Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:51pm 
Basically, it's how simplified in mechanics it is compared to the original (no skills, very simplified biomods, UNIVERSAL AMMO), facial animations that look WORSE than the original's, horrendously bad porting (when a computer from 2009 has trouble running this thing regardless of settings, something's wrong with the game), tiny levels with constant loading screens, the fact that you have to HACK THE ENGINE to adjust FOV despite Unreal 2 at its core being very capable of something called a CONSOLE and FOV command, being made for the xbox and ported to PC...

It's not a bad game in its own right. Hell, it even suffers less from modern game-itis than HR (no "PRESS X TO Y" on things*, no regenerating health outside of a biomod that relies on a limited pool of bio energy to work, no tutorial prompts...) Compared to the original, which admittedly set the bar very high, IW just isn't as good.

*EDIT: I should correct myself on this point. DX:IW has the OPTION to remove the unneeded tooltips and PRESS X TO Y-type things.
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Doctor Go-Go Jan 14, 2013 @ 2:28pm 
I know, that's what consoles do, Ruin everything. It's always simplified because they want to make sure the majority of the console users won't reject the game. And quad the sales because overall more gamers use consoles.

Which GREAT game series from the 90's that kept gaming alive hasn't been destroyed with the modern template of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

As for the Mods of Deus Ex and skills. Most of the skills are pointless, but the options to build your character is part of the challenge. Most of the Bio Mods weren't very useful but again it's all about the best decissions.

If anything they should have EXPANDED the vague role playing element of the original Deus Ex instead of eliminating it.

I made up mind a long time ago. If it's not PC only OR a later port of a good console game I don't think twice of it. Multi-platform translates to friday night half-♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If it's on STEAM for a few bucks fine, how back could it be for a few bucks? Other than that the quality is predictable.
Dreusyla Arashi Jun 12, 2013 @ 2:48pm 
invisible war nobody wants to admit exists because unlike the original dx games it was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ized console port and not a true pc game, the gameplay was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the biomods and weapons were way less than the first, the story was lame, and the game unlike the first dx only supported crt resolutions (up to 800x600) thanks to its console problems
Doctor Go-Go Jun 13, 2013 @ 7:54pm 
I know, but it could have been worse. I FIGURED it was built the Xbox then ported to the PC, because during a multiplatform release that's just common sense. How are they gonna make a PC game run on a console when both are released @ the same time, they won't they can't. So they make the console game run on the PC. NOT a PC fanboy here.

I think my point is being missed. Sure I had the same "WTF" Feelings but the game is good it's own way. Even Human Revolution is completely different, but still great.

Most of the Biomods in the origional were mostly impractical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that were mostly unhelpful. SO who cares if they eliminated all of the biomod options? Maybe they couldn't think of anything useful to add or replace the originals with so they decided to scrap most of it rather than re-invent gimmiks. The lack of need and lack of use is what always leads to simplification.

I loved Des Ex, played it too many times but most of the interactivity and biomods.. I ignored most of that, tried all of those mods but my instincts were correct the first and second time.

Character stats? Just like with every RPG it's like this world. Best to be an expert @ 1 or 2 things than be half-♥♥♥ @ everything.
Dreusyla Arashi Jun 14, 2013 @ 3:47am 
Originally posted by MolestO the Clown:
I know, but it could have been worse. I FIGURED it was built the Xbox then ported to the PC, because during a multiplatform release that's just common sense. How are they gonna make a PC game run on a console when both are released @ the same time, they won't they can't. So they make the console game run on the PC. NOT a PC fanboy here.

I think my point is being missed. Sure I had the same "WTF" Feelings but the game is good it's own way. Even Human Revolution is completely different, but still great.

Most of the Biomods in the origional were mostly impractical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that were mostly unhelpful. SO who cares if they eliminated all of the biomod options? Maybe they couldn't think of anything useful to add or replace the originals with so they decided to scrap most of it rather than re-invent gimmiks. The lack of need and lack of use is what always leads to simplification.

I loved Des Ex, played it too many times but most of the interactivity and biomods.. I ignored most of that, tried all of those mods but my instincts were correct the first and second time.

Character stats? Just like with every RPG it's like this world. Best to be an expert @ 1 or 2 things than be half-♥♥♥ @ everything.

they also removed the skill system and most of hte biomods werent even mods they were just a halfassed replacement to skills that you had in dx1
Doctor Go-Go Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:38pm 
Yeah, oh well.. Could have been worse. I had grow up playing 8-bit Nintendo.

I do recall being livid when I got the game. I loved Deus Ex, got IW upon Release. It was NOT optimized in anyway. Came with the latest graphics card and would not run on that. Couldn't adjust the resolution and it ran is slow motion.

The 1.1 patch was more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it did not fix the real problems. v1.2 was the solution. Don't know what the max pallete Resolution is but don't care because I Use a 19" monitor and 1024x768 is native to that. OH! and FSAA it didn't work until v1.2.

But that's history. It's okay but no where near as good as the original was and still is. The lack of multiplayer may have also been an issue for many PC players.

It was disaster but atleast they fixed it to make it playable. I was angry @ first, but I enjoyed it. I payed $60 for a retail version and had to wait about a year to get the patch to make the game work so imagine how I felt. Now you can get it through STEAM for a few bucks so for a few bucks it's great.


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