x181 Jun 7, 2013 @ 12:57pm
Investigation: A Video Game Studio From Hell
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Freyar Jun 7, 2013 @ 2:37pm 
This kind of BS has me really feeling bad about enjoying Dungeon Defenders and has turned me off from Dungeon Defenders II.

Seriously? Copying League? No thank you.
Treating employees like dirt? Unacceptable.
TheCurmudgeons Jun 7, 2013 @ 5:32pm 
Not a very nice situation at trendy now is it !!! This may sound stupid - but if things go all haywire at Trendy - and they get shut down or something' does that mean steam will shut down as well or are they not connected and other games purchased will be fine; or shoud we be looking for another game provider?
TdIbT Jun 7, 2013 @ 5:39pm 
Steam is owned and operated by Valve, and will have no effect if Trendy shuts down. The only thing you will have to question is will this specific game be playable anymore or not.
TheCurmudgeons Jun 7, 2013 @ 5:44pm 
thanks - there are always other games to play. Not so many that are as fun and have the-want-to-stay-with-it feeling though.
Poor Dick Jun 7, 2013 @ 7:26pm 
I feel very bad for the workers at Trendy. I stopped enjoying Dungeon Defenders a long while ago - but I hope that the workers were treated well during the time I did enjoy the game.
Softspokenman Jun 7, 2013 @ 7:35pm 
bumping to the top iamisom care to comment?
[Toast] Apathy Jun 7, 2013 @ 8:38pm 
Just finished the article and had to check out the comments on the forum. People really need to read this.
Tydo Jun 8, 2013 @ 3:09am 
well well, that at least explains the inappropriate little dance the huntress does. And I say that simply because the champions are pitched as (very) underage kids.
And why we are kept waiting on the new map. Sounds like progress has stalled.
FredEffinChopin Jun 8, 2013 @ 8:34am 
Yeah, they can keep that new map. I'm completely dismayed and sickened by this news. I bought this game across two platforms, with DLC on both. I also bought it for at least five friends, and have talked it up endlessly to many more than that. I really went to bat for these guys, frequently talking about what a hardworking independent company they are, and how they really look out for their fans. If this is what is required for them to do good work though, then count me out. I don't care if I find out tomorrow that every single game developer under the sun operates that way, I will just stop buying games altogether. There is no hobby so important to me that I'm willing to support a business that conducts itself this way. I'll play chess if I need to.

Stieglitz has to go. It's that simple. Even if they fire him I'm not sure I want to give DD2 a chance from a gaming perspective, since I now know that it's a LoL ripoff. If he leaves though, I will spend money on the game just to support the other employees there (and any further DD DLC that releases), who are reputably a great and hard working bunch of people who deserve to have their careers weather this ****storm. Until then, DD2 will be the easiest boycott ever, and DD will remain a point of shame in my Steam library.

Absolutely disgusting.
Nata Jun 8, 2013 @ 8:53am 
Whoa he hates womans and want hutnress to become a pornstar....ok...makes sense...im wondering if all of this is any true, and well in case it's all true, the power there it's from the employees, sadly they need a bettter job, and if they all start to leave the company will start to lose i guess, like taking forever to release the game...also If they copy-cat LoL they will just die, since the best part of DD it was the fact it was similar to LoL but with shooter gameplay, and no shop to buy craps
cpc8472 Jun 8, 2013 @ 10:12am 
Seven day work weeks are quite common when a game is in full-blown development. Do you really think the devs work M-F 9 to 5? The author of the artical has to know this, so I call into question the rest of what he says. Not saying Trendy is all Smurf Village, but I wonder if it's really as bad as the artical claims and that some things are not exagerated or taken out of context. If there are so many wonderful and talented people there who are so disgruntled and intimidated then why don't more of them quit? There are plenty of other indi studios out there these days. More than ever before.
FredEffinChopin Jun 8, 2013 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by cpc8472:
Seven day work weeks are quite common when a game is in full-blown development. Do you really think the devs work M-F 9 to 5? The author of the artical has to know this, so I call into question the rest of what he says. Not saying Trendy is all Smurf Village, but I wonder if it's really as bad as the artical claims and that some things are not exagerated or taken out of context. If there are so many wonderful and talented people there who are so disgruntled and intimidated then why don't more of them quit? There are plenty of other indi studios out there these days. More than ever before.

First you read the article, THEN you comment. I'm hoping that not-reading is the reason that your comment is as uninformed as it is. There is far more going on there then forcing long work days on employees; that is almost a non-issue compared to everything else mentioned. Also, FYI (since you didn't seem to read the article), *the article* is not making claims, Trendy employees did. That's plural. There is even some documented evidence that displays the misogynist tone that was set there (not to mention the reference to sexy underage females that is beyond disgusting), and the accusations are consistent among the different complaints. There also isn't much of a way to take them out of context either.

Tell me this:
Why is the first thing that comes to your mind that the writer of the article might be lying, or that the people complaining are exaggerating? Aside from being a fan of the game, is there ANY reason whatsoever for you to call these people liars? I'm pretty sure you haven't worked there, and there hasn't been an official statement from Trendy, so as far as I can tell, you're conjuring fantasies and trying to compare them to peoples' testimonies to be fair. That is not fair, that's simple skepticism at something that you don't like hearing.

And no, they can't all just "get another job." The field is competitive, and when people get opportunities to work in the field they love, they often cling to it for as long as possible, if not for the job itself, for the experience. Jobs aren't just lying around for the picking, and plenty of people put up with hell in hopes of taking that experience and making something better out of it in the future. In the meantime, they still need to eat.

Think about this:
If we take your attitude (if you don't like the abuse, just go somewhere else, and stop bothering us gamers with your pathetic complaints) and follow it through to the end, bosses like Stieglitz can just hire more young and eager people to abuse when the current ones quit - possibly for even less money - and keep doing what he's doing. Over and over. As long as people like you stick up for them.

Now follow the attitude of someone who actually possesses some moral conviction, and who won't sell out other humans for the sake of tower defense goodness:
"We won't give you another dime until you get rid of the responsible party." Can eventually result in the replacement of Stieglitz, and hopefully the hard-working employees there can get a new boss that doesn't cultivate a climate of fear, shame, intimidation, and plagiarism that they need to try to be creative under.
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Remagamer Jun 8, 2013 @ 12:24pm 
Originally posted by FredEffinChopin:
Yeah, they can keep that new map. I'm completely dismayed and sickened by this news. I bought this game across two platforms, with DLC on both. I also bought it for at least five friends, and have talked it up endlessly to many more than that. I really went to bat for these guys, frequently talking about what a hardworking independent company they are, and how they really look out for their fans. If this is what is required for them to do good work though, then count me out. I don't care if I find out tomorrow that every single game developer under the sun operates that way, I will just stop buying games altogether. There is no hobby so important to me that I'm willing to support a business that conducts itself this way. I'll play chess if I need to.

Stieglitz has to go. It's that simple. Even if they fire him I'm not sure I want to give DD2 a chance from a gaming perspective, since I now know that it's a LoL ripoff. If he leaves though, I will spend money on the game just to support the other employees there (and any further DD DLC that releases), who are reputably a great and hard working bunch of people who deserve to have their careers weather this ****storm. Until then, DD2 will be the easiest boycott ever, and DD will remain a point of shame in my Steam library.

Absolutely disgusting.

"We won't give you another dime until you get rid of the responsible party."
-FredEffinChopin

Sums up my current outlook. Was in the DD2 beta, not anymore. Played DD1, not anymore.
saluteyourshorts Jun 8, 2013 @ 1:40pm 
If you guys weren't aware, Trendy recently recieved an $18 million investment from http://www.insightpartners.com/portfolio/#!trendy-entertainment. These are the guys with the money and who now have an ownership stake inTrendy (and thus will want to protect their investment). If anyone has the power to properly investigate the matter and get rid of Stieglitz if need be, then it's these guys. I recomend you all take a few minutes to send them an email with your thoughts on the matter.

cpc8472 Jun 8, 2013 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by FredEffinChopin:
Originally posted by cpc8472:
Seven day work weeks are quite common when a game is in full-blown development. Do you really think the devs work M-F 9 to 5? The author of the artical has to know this, so I call into question the rest of what he says. Not saying Trendy is all Smurf Village, but I wonder if it's really as bad as the artical claims and that some things are not exagerated or taken out of context. If there are so many wonderful and talented people there who are so disgruntled and intimidated then why don't more of them quit? There are plenty of other indi studios out there these days. More than ever before.

First you read the article, THEN you comment. I'm hoping that not-reading is the reason that your comment is as uninformed as it is. There is far more going on there then forcing long work days on employees.

I get all the other claims, but considering the very first sentence in the article states "Seven day work weeks", which even you admit is "almost a non-issue", shows that the article isn't written very well. I never claimed none of the other grievances were invalid, but the way the author starts out makes some of us wonder how just how objective or slanted the reporting really is. Maybe he, or Kotaku, have and agenda of their own, aside from just drawing more readers. I see advertising on their site.

And this is not a Chinese studio we're talking about. Maybe there might not be other jobs aplenty out there, but there are always avenues of recourse if things are really as bad there as the article makes it seem. No amount of money is worth that much stress and degradation and I doubt they have shackles and guard dogs there. And if folks get fired for no other reason than retaliation there is always legal action, and there are some law firms and agencies which would take the case either pro-bono or whatever they call it when they take payment only if they win (This happened where I work). And if there's that many disgruntled ex employees that would improve the chances of success of the case.

Unfortunately sexism and racism still exist, but also unfortunately many people use the claim as an excuse, unjustifiably so. Example: Maybe person A was not as qualified as person B (a white male), but person A will claim the only reason they didn't get the job / raise / promotion was because of their gender or race. My boss fired a guy who was caught more than once sleeping in his car while on the clock and he then claimed the boss and company were racist because he was non-white, when in fact I had never witnessed anything that could be considered as being racist and the guy had even been made a lead person above white guys in the same department. But because the guy was being fired, it just had to be that the company was “racist” and not because he was f**king off on the job. And yes, if a white guy had done the same thing he would also have also been fired.

Anyway, if things are truly as “hellish” as the author claims, then DD2 will probably suck monkey balls, they'll lose money due to poor sales and Trendy will be disbanded and they'll all be out of a job. Let's just be glad DD 1 was good and hope Trendy can fix whatever internal issues they are having, which I admit seems doubtful.
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