=Snappy= Oct 15, 2013 @ 11:55am
200 mil disappeared in a trade. is this common?!
Me and my friend. He was giving me mana. Traded me roughly 208 mil (raw mana, not a token), clicked confirm, i clicked confirm, it made the cha-ching sound and now neither of us has the mana. (We have both looked high and low. It is not in any bank, and not in any mana token.) I thought possibly the transaction was going thru some sort of delay or auditing on Trendy's system, but it has been ... almost 48 hrs now.

WTH IS GOING ON?!

Is this common. Is this a Trendy tech-support issue?


The 200 mil isn't even a huge deal, but .. I'm just spooked on trading now. What's going to disappear next, my primo gear?!


TY for any info.
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Kamuro Oct 15, 2013 @ 1:07pm 
welcome to dungeon defenders
=Snappy= Oct 15, 2013 @ 4:53pm 
Originally posted by Kamuro:
welcome to dungeon defenders
hmm how many times has it happened to you?
Marquette1993 Oct 15, 2013 @ 4:56pm 
It happens; one guy I traded with lost 12 cubes when I was trading a ult++ capping tower dmg. 449 up sparus. Was so mad when the trade didn't go through. It happened to me only in two or three trades I have done.
Kamuro Oct 15, 2013 @ 4:59pm 
Originally posted by =Snappy=:
Originally posted by Kamuro:
welcome to dungeon defenders
hmm how many times has it happened to you?
0 times.
=Snappy= Oct 15, 2013 @ 6:27pm 
Originally posted by Marquette1993:
It happens; one guy I traded with lost 12 cubes when I was trading a ult++ capping tower dmg. 449 up sparus. Was so mad when the trade didn't go through. It happened to me only in two or three trades I have done.
hrm that sux. i've only done about 20-30 trades in my whole DD career, so ... i'm not liking these odds. :P

trendy will not replace or investigate, tho, i take it?

ty.
Egal Matreaux Oct 15, 2013 @ 11:19pm 
@=Snappy=

Silly question I'm sure, but was your mana capped at 600mil before the trade? Either way that sucks man.
=Snappy= Oct 16, 2013 @ 12:09am 
Originally posted by Egal Matreaux:
@=Snappy=

Silly question I'm sure, but was your mana capped at 600mil before the trade? Either way that sucks man.

no, it was well under. good point tho. (and BTW if trying to trade mana to a player who is full results in "trade eats your mana" instead of "trade fails and shows you an error message", well... that's a huge developer fail, obviously.)

something weird goes on with mana calcs in the game anyway... today i noticed i could not make a mana token for my full amt of mana (i have not played a lot since mana tokens were officially introduced, so maybe this is common knowledge.) no matter what i typed -- exact amt, or over -- it would always leave 5 mana in my bank. until i spent a little bit of my total amt, then i was able to make a mana token for the full remaining amt.

as it relates to the trade i had an issue with: that trade, too, was for an uneven amt. it was $208 mil + change, so maybe the odd value screwed it up some way...?? just wild speculation but hey ..... it's not like there's any good explanation forthcoming. ;)

anyway, thanks for all replies.
Finny Oct 29, 2013 @ 10:32am 
I have a solution for you. Next time tell your friend to drop it on tavern floor for you.This way trades are always succesfull. Only works with people you can trust ;)

I have traded thousands of times and never lost anything major. Couple times had the "trade glitch".

Like trendy said, trade at your own risk!
Kim Oct 29, 2013 @ 11:40am 
Unfortunately, Trendy doesn't store trades in their save file database. Because of this, they're unable to track trades or recover items that go missing during the trading process. I know..it sucks : \
=Snappy= Oct 29, 2013 @ 3:16pm 
thanks, everyone, for tips. been playing and trading without much issue since my original post. think i just had bad luck. it's still ridiculous, but .. at least it hasn't happened again.

but this thread got me thinking... Everything you see in a game is an illusion. Some aspects of the illusion might have more or fewer bugs than the next, but I wonder if there is any real engineering basis to the belief that dropping on tavern floor is safer than doing trades.

I know when you "drop" an "item" on the "tavern floor", it "feels like" you are "dropping" a "real" "item" and it's "sitting there waiting for someone to pick it up" as opposed to when you do a trade, the "items" just magically swap between "item boxes" via some mysterious behind-the-scenes force. I use quotes because none of these items or actions really exist. They are all virtual models -- and parts of the larger model i.e. "the DD world" -- creating using data and algorithms. And even tho trading and dropping seem like somewhat different concepts and actions, the program mechanics behind them might not be all that different.

The "item" -- actually just a record in a database -- is simply having its location changed, which is just another property in the same database.

so what is it about doing a proper Trade that makes the database operations more likely to fail than doing a simple "Drop-On-Floor"? If the answer is: "actually, nothing", then dropping on floor isn't really any safer than doing a trade. Is there anything that really prevents drop-on-floor from failing in a one-sided, item-munching way, or is it happening and we're just overlooking that right now?

trouble is these are questions we don't and probably won't know the absolute answers to.

(and then writing this post got me thinking... either way, this kind of data loss is nothing that should be going on in modern software! plzfixty.)
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