Takuan Soho Feb 11 @ 10:17pm
Wich char on what?
I wanna play with 2 chars Series EV and MONK

My mate is a summonor. I want 1 DPS and one for building.

So what is better with summonor DPS MONK with Builder EV or DPS EV with Builder MONK?

help pls.
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Behemoth+ Feb 11 @ 10:34pm 
Not played in a while but I used to have high Towers with my summoner line up 3/4 archers and 1 of the healer dudes(cant mind name) in a row, place a buff beam and a shield beam to protect then run a dps monk with tower and hero boosts.

However as I say I haven't played in a while.
Softspokenman Feb 12 @ 12:32am 
monk can be a better fighter but his auras like high stats so its hard for him to do both at the same time
on the other hand EV at only 800 build stats is just fine so he would be far easier to build as a fighter builder hybrid why pick one if you can have both in one
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SCE_Genesis985 Feb 12 @ 3:29am 
True, the Series EV has among the worst returns when it coes to upping her stats, granted its a bit exaggeted that the EV would wind up with stats of about 800 as that would be some pretty craptastic armor. when i made my EV she had around 1500 just from the default gear stats+ set bonus (transcendant). From there i just dumped the rest into her combat stats.

As for the monk vs EV they have a pretty fair trade off. A monk has among th highest DPS in the game but not all that much HP, where as the EV has almost 2x the HP moves faster, bus has drastically lower DPS.

Do note that i refer to DPS scaling in Dungeon defenders in terms of a Multiplication table ie: Base damage X3. if your weapon has a stat that read say 12000 and you do 36000 damage thats a X3 Multiplier, the scale difference between characters is whenlest just say it takes the monk only 400 points in ATK stat to do X3 damage vs the EV requireing say 800 points in ATK to do the same damage. Anyways back on subject!

An EV even though you make them a DPSer still has benefits from there towers more specifically their reflect walls and there buff beam. these 2 are not really heavily effected by the tower stats as much as other toons tower stats are. Infact the EV has among the WORST stat scaling when it comes to her towers. when it comes to her just focus all you can into her HP and ATK DPS stats and just let natural gear aquisition handle the tower stats. Use her buff beam to enhance your monks auras if you choose to make a AURA Monk and place reflect walls where there will be enemies firing at your crystal/s. On the other hand the only reason to make a tower EV is for te sole purpose of making Über walls. the EV walls grow stringer the more DU they consume upto a max of 5 DU this makes the EV walls among the best scaling towers she has.

Now lets talk Monk. The monk as mentioned is slower has half the HP scale but the Single highest DPS in the game, especially when you equip him/her with a monk akatiti reward weapon. However as a monk you have two DPS attacks, your melee and your projectile. depending on your play style it is ill advised to split upgrading the monks weapon in both stats. Either choose Melee or ranged but not both. Now on to the monk auras. they have a very good general support purpose especially when buffed by the EV making them bigger, more powerful and damage faster. the most common build for monks is to place a slow drain and electric aura on top of each other for maximum effect.

Now how these 2 can effect your friends Summoner is quite simple. you can use his archer and have him/her place them on an Ev buff beam and then put an aura on them also buffed by the same beam and you have an effective wall and death trap.

I know i tend to go on overly complex explanations about toon strengths and weaknesses but quite frankly i feel that i would be cheating someone if they didn't have all the comparative info
Takuan Soho Feb 12 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by SCE_Genesis985:
True, the Series EV has among the worst returns when it coes to upping her stats, granted its a bit exaggeted that the EV would wind up with stats of about 800 as that would be some pretty craptastic armor. when i made my EV she had around 1500 just from the default gear stats+ set bonus (transcendant). From there i just dumped the rest into her combat stats.

As for the monk vs EV they have a pretty fair trade off. A monk has among th highest DPS in the game but not all that much HP, where as the EV has almost 2x the HP moves faster, bus has drastically lower DPS.

Do note that i refer to DPS scaling in Dungeon defenders in terms of a Multiplication table ie: Base damage X3. if your weapon has a stat that read say 12000 and you do 36000 damage thats a X3 Multiplier, the scale difference between characters is whenlest just say it takes the monk only 400 points in ATK stat to do X3 damage vs the EV requireing say 800 points in ATK to do the same damage. Anyways back on subject!

An EV even though you make them a DPSer still has benefits from there towers more specifically their reflect walls and there buff beam. these 2 are not really heavily effected by the tower stats as much as other toons tower stats are. Infact the EV has among the WORST stat scaling when it comes to her towers. when it comes to her just focus all you can into her HP and ATK DPS stats and just let natural gear aquisition handle the tower stats. Use her buff beam to enhance your monks auras if you choose to make a AURA Monk and place reflect walls where there will be enemies firing at your crystal/s. On the other hand the only reason to make a tower EV is for te sole purpose of making Über walls. the EV walls grow stringer the more DU they consume upto a max of 5 DU this makes the EV walls among the best scaling towers she has.

Now lets talk Monk. The monk as mentioned is slower has half the HP scale but the Single highest DPS in the game, especially when you equip him/her with a monk akatiti reward weapon. However as a monk you have two DPS attacks, your melee and your projectile. depending on your play style it is ill advised to split upgrading the monks weapon in both stats. Either choose Melee or ranged but not both. Now on to the monk auras. they have a very good general support purpose especially when buffed by the EV making them bigger, more powerful and damage faster. the most common build for monks is to place a slow drain and electric aura on top of each other for maximum effect.

Now how these 2 can effect your friends Summoner is quite simple. you can use his archer and have him/her place them on an Ev buff beam and then put an aura on them also buffed by the same beam and you have an effective wall and death trap.

I know i tend to go on overly complex explanations about toon strengths and weaknesses but quite frankly i feel that i would be cheating someone if they didn't have all the comparative info

OMG THANK YOU FOR THAT LONG AWNSWER.

So basicly you said that Ev has a bad scaling in Towers AND in hero dmg xD?

So i should play monk on dps and eve on builder and build just buff beams and blue walls?
Last edited by Takuan Soho; Feb 12 @ 7:41am
Tydo Feb 12 @ 8:37am 
well for what you originally asked:
Monk builder, dps EV. It is much easier to get acceptable beams (buff+reflect) from a dps EV than it is to get acceptable auras from dps monk.
And until nightmare, any class can do "enough" dps, so a dps EV is ok until then.

Then if you want to be serious later: Monk builder, monk dps, ev builder.
+ squire builder + huntress builder + jester dps&upgrader + barb dps (for huge hawkstrike hits).

And yes, the ev 'towers' are generally bad - at hurting the enemy or stopping them. You will end up using its buffbeam and its reflect wall. Very rarely anything else.
Last edited by Tydo; Feb 12 @ 8:44am
MOSHHOPPER Feb 12 @ 11:58am 
a monk with good auras will serve you better than a monk dps IMO
good auras on a buff beam will kill every thing but ogres/dijins and the minions will take care of them
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