SharpeXB Apr 7, 2013 @ 7:58am
No swastikas?
I always object to the lack of the correct historical symbols in these games. It makes them look dumb. World at War, Wolfenstein and many other games were able to display it so I don't see why not. I know there are national laws regarding this but I think Steam even has a region filter for this.
Everyone in the world knows what that symbol is so you're not fooling anyone by ommiting it. I hate fake looking iron crosses, the Germans didn't even use that symbol in WWII. It looks just as silly in a game as it would in a movie if you ommited them. And the same artistic license should apply to all forms of entertainment.
Just my oppinion.
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hertston Apr 7, 2013 @ 5:55pm 
Nobody is trying to 'fool' anybody. As you said in Germany and some other countries displaying the swastika is illegal. That includes use in video games (although movies are excluded as being 'artistic or educational'). Games developers who want to sell their game in those countries therefore have two choices, either have two versions of the game graphics or just one swastika-free one.

Option 2 is cheaper and easier.

The irony is that the symbols used to replace swastikas are also used by modern neo-fascist groups in Germany!
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Jaqarll Apr 10, 2013 @ 9:30am 
But they're not the official symbol of a forbidden party in Germany, not to mention that the Iron Cross is still used by the German forces today.
MS-DOS 6.22 May 19, 2013 @ 10:03pm 
yeah, there is nothing "bad" or "tainted" about a proper looking Eisernes Kreuz. strange it has to be changed.
SharpeXB Jun 27, 2013 @ 4:23am 
Originally posted by hertston:
Games developers who want to sell their game in those countries therefore have two choices, either have two versions of the game graphics or just one swastika-free one.
I wonder how you can have two versions of a game with digital dowload. Does Steam have a region filter? Call of Duty World at War has swastikas and yet is available via download. IL-2 Wings of Prey had a good solution where the "historical decals" were available via DLC with a user agreement.
SharpeXB Jun 27, 2013 @ 4:27am 
Originally posted by Trigger Happy USA:
yeah, there is nothing "bad" or "tainted" about a proper looking Eisernes Kreuz. strange it has to be changed.
It's wrong to use the Iron Cross as a symbol for Nazis in these games. It implies an association that is false. It's actually the symbol of the modern day Bundeswehr but it wasn't a national symbol in that era nor was it associated with the National Socialists.
SharpeXB Jun 27, 2013 @ 4:29am 
Originally posted by hertston:
The irony is that the symbols used to replace swastikas are also used by modern neo-fascist groups in Germany!
Yeah exactly. By creating this implied connection in the game they are creating a meaning to this symbol that is incorrect.
El Hadji Jun 27, 2013 @ 2:28pm 
I'm fully aware of the legislation in Germany and I'm sure its in place for a good reason. But at the same time I'm baffled as to why its ok to display the 'Hammer & Sickle' everywhere? How many people did Stalin murder?
Harley Quinn Jun 27, 2013 @ 4:52pm 
because ppl are stupid.

It is ironic isn't it that nazi germany were into operssion and censorhip and now we have games being censored ..
Magikarp Jun 27, 2013 @ 7:13pm 
Originally posted by El Hadji:
I'm fully aware of the legislation in Germany and I'm sure its in place for a good reason. But at the same time I'm baffled as to why its ok to display the 'Hammer & Sickle' everywhere? How many people did Stalin murder?

Thats the way here in Europe, left is good, everything not left is right wing fascist-nazi. There is nothing between. "Antifacism" turns into the new facism.


Originally posted by SharpeXB:
Originally posted by Trigger Happy USA:
yeah, there is nothing "bad" or "tainted" about a proper looking Eisernes Kreuz. strange it has to be changed.
It's wrong to use the Iron Cross as a symbol for Nazis in these games. It implies an association that is false. It's actually the symbol of the modern day Bundeswehr but it wasn't a national symbol in that era nor was it associated with the National Socialists.


The Iron Cross (actually the "Black Cross", the Iron Cross is a military award) was used by the Wehrmacht. Its not (just) the symbol of the Bundeswehr, it goes way back, to the Ordo Teutonicus (Deutschritterorden), and was revived by the Prussians later, and overtaken by the German Army after the founding of Germany (1871). But without a doubt most people know it from pictures of tanks and planes of the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe.



Originally posted by SharpeXB:
Originally posted by hertston:
Games developers who want to sell their game in those countries therefore have two choices, either have two versions of the game graphics or just one swastika-free one.
I wonder how you can have two versions of a game with digital dowload. Does Steam have a region filter? Call of Duty World at War has swastikas and yet is available via download. IL-2 Wings of Prey had a good solution where the "historical decals" were available via DLC with a user agreement.


There are region filters, just look next time, when you buy a game you have to confirm your nationality. And World at War was heavily censored in Germany, 1) all Nazi Symboles had to be removed, 2) Quite some violent scenes got removed, including all executions of prisoners and the entire nazi zombie mode
I think the changes are so severe that owners of the german version cant play with owners of the international version.
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zalteredbeastz Jan 31 @ 2:04pm 
I managed to replace the censored german flags if someone is interested. But it's a little complicated to install, you are warned !
http://www.noelshack.com/2014-05-1391205281-uncensored-flags.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2014-05-1391205310-uncensored-flags-2.jpg
Tobias Rieper Feb 10 @ 7:01pm 
Hey bud, could you let me know how to alter those files?? Replace the flags with swastikas? thanks
demuN Feb 11 @ 6:40am 
Originally posted by zalteredbeastz:
I managed to replace the censored german flags if someone is interested. But it's a little complicated to install, you are warned !
http://www.noelshack.com/2014-05-1391205281-uncensored-flags.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2014-05-1391205310-uncensored-flags-2.jpg
can you please make a tutorial on how to install those please?
zalteredbeastz Feb 12 @ 2:27pm 
You need this program http://aluigi.altervista.org/papers/quickbms.zip
and my uncensored textures http://mavoxofiwp.1fichier.com/

First part, extraction.
Extract quickbms somewhere of your choice.
Now you need to go to your "Sniper Elite V2/envs" folder and copy TheBlob.pc_textures to the quickbms folder. Rename "TheBlob.pc_textures" to "TheBlob.pc".
Now use quickbms_4gb_files.exe, and when ask, open "asura.bms". Then open "TheBlob.pc" and press the save button.
After a while, normally the program have extracted a folder named "graphics". Delete it, and replace it with my "graphics" folder (it's located in uncensored flags.rar).




Ok, now the last part, the reimport.
Press the "windows" symbol in your keyboard and search for "cmd.exe". Run it.
Now type the drive letter where your "quickbms" is located and ":"
Example : "D:"

Now type "cd" and the adresse of your quickbms folder.
Example : cd D:\documents\progs\quickbms

And finally, type "quickbms_4gb_files -w -r asura.bms TheBlob.PC".
If all went right, 2 files will be reimported.

Now rename "TheBlob.PC" to its original name "TheBlob.pc_textures" and replace it in your game folder (in Sniper Elite V2/envs).

I highly recommend to do a backup of your original "TheBlob.pc_textures" just in case.

Thats all, don't really worth the waste of time, but it's up to you.
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mathead Apr 13 @ 10:23am 
I applied the patch today as described in the previous comment. Thanks. Works almost fine. Strangely, sometime there ist still the stupid ersatz-flag with the large black cross. Then, in the next moment, the same flag bears a swastika (I'm not gonna call it sweet but it's definitely worth the trouble if you like to have a feeling of a historically accurate setting). I wonder if maybe there might be a second flag design which is missing in this mod. I'll look it up.

Oh and I think, zalterdedbeastz forgot to mention that asura.bms has to be downloaded aswell. I found it with a simple google search.

As for our legislation concerning nazi symbols, it's really ridiculous. Firstly, movies are regarded as art and games not. Secondly, it's good that neo-nazis aren't allowed to display swastikas for purposes of propaganda but in games, plastic models and the like, it's just dumb!
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deadcantdance Apr 14 @ 5:17am 
Swastikas are always a problem in Germany, cause they are anticonstitutional. You have to live with it, or buy it (I did this with Sniper Elite Zombie Army 2) in another country. The problem is (for example with Sniper Elite ZA 2) that you will mostly never have the chance to play with someone with a censored version).
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