Airows Jan 12, 2013 @ 10:38am
Helicopters assault
hello pact player here
i got a question how do u guys use helicopters effectively (without spamming) because it seems to me the tunguskas tend to shoot EVERYTHING DOWN

would mind sharing with me your strategies on using apaches and cobras effectively
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troublmaker Jan 12, 2013 @ 11:23am 
Helicopters are used as skirmishing units. This means that they rush vulnerable units and run away from anti-air.

Anti-air have two types. The first is rocket based. Rocket based have an area of effect splash damage meaning that clumped up units will take extra damage. This means that when facing off against tunguska you will get an advantage for splitting them up.

The second type is your short range machine gun type. These have a shorter range but generally deal higher single target damage. The tunguska is a 80-90 point costing anti-air unit that will do both of these types (which is why you're having so many problems with them).

Most air units cost like 30 points so having a tunguska on the map means you will have a lot of problems.

Air units are VERY mobile this means that you can use them to fly around the map and easily spot any advances or rushes.

That video features a specific helicopter all in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlhHHeoCGU

Sotek is the third highest rated player in the game and was eliminated from Eugen's prize tournament in this match.

There is also good synergy between infantry and helicopter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H5d2PXtQcI

The player uses the infantry/helicopter build in this matchup in which the job of the helicopters is to snipe out anti-infantry vehicles and the infantry's job is to kill everything else.

Overall people are feeling that the helicopter is in fact too powerful and too easily wins these matchups.
Arcindrus Jan 12, 2013 @ 4:23pm 
I think troublmaker nailed it there.

Also it depends on how many points you are willing to spend on Helicopters, if you are just buying cheap baseline ones, then stay away from AA. But if you get the more expensive ones I find you can attack isolated AA units and prevail without losses. Cheaper helicopters can be effective with this as well, as long as you buy them Veterancy upgrades.

When it comes to NATO, AH-64 take a bit of punishment to bring down, so you can usually take on a couple of AA units with them and then mop up the remaining ground units, same goes for the PACT Mi-28.

Another tactic is to use your helicopters at the start of the game to move infantry to a location before the enemy AA units get there, then ambush them and then your helicopters can come back and clean up what is left.

With helicopters you need to practice a bit, you need to know what your units are capable of defeating, because they are very fragile and one mistake can mean disaster. PACT is definitely more forgiving in that regard since their Helicopters are tougher. For NATO though I would recommend you try Lynx Helicopters with TOW missiles, but keep in mind they only take one missile hit to bring down, so don't engage more than 2 AA units at a time with them.

Another thing you can try is using a cheap helicopter as bait for the AA while your attack helicopters ready their missiles, this will help you get at least one shot into them before they return fire, if you execute it properly that is.

Hope this helps.
Boomer99 Jan 12, 2013 @ 8:10pm 
Question for the OP, how do you use your helos currently?

I ask because I rarely use helos as a lone unit, more of a supporting unit, or a hit and run unit to stun the enemy or drop morale.
Airows Jan 12, 2013 @ 9:43pm 
yes i use cobras with hogs as a support units mainly for defence and punishing careless commanders
Originally posted by Boomer99:
Question for the OP, how do you use your helos currently?

I ask because I rarely use helos as a lone unit, more of a supporting unit, or a hit and run unit to stun the enemy or drop morale.
Boomer99 Jan 13, 2013 @ 1:17pm 
Originally posted by Airows:
yes i use cobras with hogs as a support units mainly for defence and punishing careless commanders
Originally posted by Boomer99:
Question for the OP, how do you use your helos currently?

I ask because I rarely use helos as a lone unit, more of a supporting unit, or a hit and run unit to stun the enemy or drop morale.

That sounds similar to my technique. I also only use armed recon choppers, but not for attack purposes. I like to use the armed choppers, because I can at least defend them while I move them back (if they are attacked).
ŊЏ | Shifu Jan 13, 2013 @ 1:52pm 
Use Gazelle Canons as cheap recon screen - maybe the enemy is stupid enough to send an inefficient protected CV, or you can harass him by shooting a bit at him ... use them if you believe your enemy has no artillery or command defense ... for Cobras I'm mostly using them to stop rushes or if the enemy achieved a breakthrough/pushed but forgot his aa (or the aa was knocked by friendly arty)
Arcindrus Jan 13, 2013 @ 5:53pm 
In my experience, very few players will take a lot of decent AA units. Mostly they seem to take the cheaper stuff for handling helocopter rushes, which themselves usually only comprise of cheap Helos.

Mi-28s and AH-64s will chew up all but the most advanced AA units, If you target their advanced Missiles first, you can usually destroy them before they inflict too much damage, and then the more fragile helicopters can deal with everything else.

If AA coverage is too heavy, I will normally use artillery to stun or destroy some of it before I send my helocopters in, MRLS systems are most effective in this in my opinion.
Your Neighbour Jan 14, 2013 @ 7:04am 
Use them to hit tanks from sides/rear, attack helos have a few AT rockets (depends on your variant) which are very deadly against tanks, each one of them can only let off about 6 shots, however that's sufficiently lethal and can cause big losses if your enemy is using heavy battle tanks. And the range of those AT rocket is ridiculously long as well.

And good for taking out freebie zone command car in plain sectors too.

As for transport helos with raining shotgun rockets... they are good for scaring enemies off or flanking only. Or if you really happen to catch a command vehicle alone, the helo might be of some use, still, the rocket shotgun on tranpsort helo is very inaccurate, if you want the job done hard and fast, use combat helos
Lubyak Jan 16, 2013 @ 2:06am 
I use helicopters for two purposes: rapid infantry transit and skirmishing. The former is most important in the early game, when I tend to send helis full of recon infantry all over the map just so I have a decent scouting network up and going and can get a general idea of infantry actions. I might also use them to airdrop special forces where I think I can infiltrate and take out a CV or logistics unit. These jobs tend to fall to transport helis, but I'm still glad Soviet VDV come in Mi-24s. :)

Skirmishing is where the Mi-28s come out. Even the toughest attack helo can't banzai charge, as even infantry firearms will grind it down eventually. I use them to provide long range support for my troops with their ATGMs, trying to pick off enemy tanks--or at least damage them--before my own get into combat.
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