Stupid difficult

[onewhofound]

Why does this game cheat so hard? Story mode: start as dwarves - total assrape... hmm, must be easier as the other team. Nope.jpg. Whoever the computer is just beats you silly EVERY single roll

[Dr0W]

Actually, this game is damn EASY because the AI is pretty stupid.
My guess is that you don't know how to play it properly. Grab the game manual (and by that I mean the tabletop game manual) and learn. Try different races, not everybody plays the same with the same race. Get someone who actually knows how to play the game to teach you.

I've played LOTS of games against some friends who bought it and didn't really learn how to play, I've won every single match and they call me "lucky". Nobody wins over 10 matches just by luck.

You should know one thing: Luck plays a small role on this game. Rarely you'll see a game that's won or lost because good or bad luck.

Good luck on learning the game, it's a great game.

[MattStriker]

There's basically two kinds of players of this game. Those like me and Dr0W who bought the Cyanide version after already having played the boardgame, and those for which this version is their first contact with Blood Bowl.

The former will find the single-player portion of the game hilariously easy. The latter will frequently find it frustratingly difficult.

The problem is that this game is really, really hard on complete newbies. No tutorial, the only real 'manual' available is the boardgame rulebook and an AI which plays so stupidly that you can't really learn anything by watching it.


I'm afraid I have to say that if you weren't already a Blood Bowl fan, you're not going to be very happy with your purchase. If you do want to stick with it, go online and ask around for somebody to give you some training matches. The multiplayer mode is what this game is all about. Single-player campaigns and Story Mode are just a poorly-designed afterthought.

[Kevu]

This game was my first contact with Blood Bowl. I got WORKED my first several games (jeez, I cringe at trying to put a number to it) but learned from it. I now laugh at myself for being so foolish, such as not doing all the safe moves FIRST or layering my defense. Just keep in mind though, this is Blood Bowl, not Tickle Fight Bowl, so be prepared to lose some of your favorite players...and try to laugh at their demise.

I hope that you stick with it and learn what works with a team you like. I'm redownloading as we speak...and deciding whether my Wood Elves or Orcs deserve first blood.

[Dr0W]

Do not suppose I bought Cyanide version after playing the boardgame!
Cyanide was my first contect with the game too, however I was the guy who loved the game and went after the real rules (I started with the Nintendo DS version!), found the rulebook (my version didn't come with one), found people who played the real thing on IRC chat channels... And that's why I kicked all my friends assess. I was armed to the teeth with knowledge, they wanted to play only knowing what the tutorial taught.

After that I went for the boardgame, made my self my own pitch and bought some dices and miniatures. Never bought the boardgame box tough, it's not sold in my country and it costs A LOT to order from another country (I'd end up paying $250~$300.)

[Zaltys]

Ursprungligen skrivet av MattStriker:

There's basically two kinds of players of this game. Those like me and Dr0W who bought the Cyanide version after already having played the boardgame, and those for which this version is their first contact with Blood Bowl.

The former will find the single-player portion of the game hilariously easy. The latter will frequently find it frustratingly difficult.

Hrm. I used to beat all of my friends at BB. I've also played Chaos League, found it rather easy and fun. Also played the early MS-DOS adaption (in 1995), which was even easier.

But this game? Nope, I don't stand a chance in the campaign mode without save-scumming. So many ridiculous AI advantages...and although I can usually win, the single-player still doesn't feel even remotely enjoyable. It just feels flat. All the teams feel equally difficult and artificially 'challenging', instead of having an interesting mix of weak and strong teams.

[Dr0W]

The AI gets no advantages at all and the game follows the LRB5 (or is it LRB6 now?).

You don't stand a chance in the campaign mode? You just said you win most of the matches.
So what's fun for you? A game where you can't be beaten at all? Chaos League was fun because it was "easy"? You think it's not fun because you have to roll back saves so that you can finish a tournament unbeaten?

I'm sorry, but you have to grow some balls. Actually, real blood bowl players think the game is NOT fun because it's so easy that it's not even challenging. They play others online instead of playing the single player.

[Zaltys]

That's total bull. You claim that the AI gets no advantages, but if you had actually played single-player and the board game...you'd know that it does.

You can destroy the AI teams, kill and maim their players. But they'll still be at full strength the next time you play against them. Once you get a few more rerolls and level up your players, you'll notice that the AI will start spending ridiculous amount of cash on inducements. At the point where I quit, those teams were spending over four million every game to completely cripple my team and they will always field star players. Don't even try to tell me that follows LBR5.

[Dr0W]

Well, I guess you know that they get free inducement money based on your team's TV and theirs. The stronger you are, the more inducement they get. I'm yet to see a computer team getting 1 million of inducement.

[MattStriker]

It's not that. The system the game uses to automatically resolve matches between AI teams is kinda...generous. These teams will be sitting on huge piles of money. Now, AI teams never spend money in simulated matches, and since they don't usually take lasting injuries in those they won't have to spend anything on replacement players.

So when they go up against a human player, they've got massive reserves and nothing more productive to do with them than hiring wizards and stars (or screwing you over in countless different ways if you're playing Blitz mode).

The problem is that the autoresolve function is hilariously broken and will never, ever produce anything even remotely resembling the outcome of a real match.

[Dr0W]

So it's not that they are made to cheat against human players, but that the game is broken. But imho this game is broken at many parts, like the interface which is horrible. I love Blood Bowl but I stopped playing Cyanide's because I found a certain competitor that plays on a simple Java 2D board that's much better.

[Manuelman]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zaltys:

That's total bull. You claim that the AI gets no advantages, but if you had actually played single-player and the board game...you'd know that it does.

You can destroy the AI teams, kill and maim their players. But they'll still be at full strength the next time you play against them. Once you get a few more rerolls and level up your players, you'll notice that the AI will start spending ridiculous amount of cash on inducements. At the point where I quit, those teams were spending over four million every game to completely cripple my team and they will always field star players. Don't even try to tell me that follows LBR5.

No, the AI doesn't come full strenght. I once maimed a Khonr Bloodthirster so badly, it got -1 strength, (which was a pitty for him, because he had some neat skills, like grab and stuff) on the classifyings, then I encountered the same team again on the playoffs of that particular league, on the final actually, and they had the same Bloodthirster STILL with the -1 strength.

The funny thin is, I went on to another tournament, in which that team also entered, and they had a strength 5 bloodthirster, which i thought was bs, but then i realised it didn't have grab or anything. Then I realized it had another name, so it was a completely fresh new player, and the other one got dumped (because why would you want a Big Guy with 4 strength).

So, no, the AI doesn't come back full strength. It gets hurt.

[GoldSword44]

the issue is that the AI starts with skills already learned on all it's players thus giving it a massive advantage in the early game, however should you survive a few games and manage to maime enough of them that you lvl up some units you'll eventually get ahead since they enevr recover from wounds or get new abilities.

[MattStriker]

Not true, they do both. They occasionally fire and replace especially serious lasting injuries (-ST on any kind of basher gets dumped pretty quickly, for example), and they do skill up.

Did some research, and apparently the amount of money those AI teams get for their matches, win or lose, given the spiralling expenses they should have at their TR would require them to roll 7+ on a d6...

[Dr0W]

Ursprungligen skrivet av GoldSword44:

the issue is that the AI starts with skills already learned on all it's players thus giving it a massive advantage in the early game, however should you survive a few games and manage to maime enough of them that you lvl up some units you'll eventually get ahead since they enevr recover from wounds or get new abilities.

I'm sorry but that isn't an issue. The game takes takes care of balancing teams with different TV's. It's part of the game to enter a tournament where teams are already leveled up, inducements are there for you.

I've managed to wina tournament against real players (not the AI) where they were on their 6th season, most of the teams were 1800+ TV, they were all bashy teams and I used a Pro Elves team. With a bit of luck and some dead elves I won.

With the AI being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's a piece of cake winning the first games, even on Hard.

[MattStriker]

Well, that's elves. They have a tendency to be able to win games against any odds from TV1000, it's just that it's usually a 'win the battle, lose the war' kind of scenario for them since replacements are so damn expensive :P.