Assassin's Creed Origins

Assassin's Creed Origins

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Grogg Oct 31 @ 6:03pm
Curious about Denuvo and its efficiency.
So I'm not thoroughly educated in DRM and have never really bothered to care until now. With all the threads and speculation pointing to DRM as the cause for the heavy CPU usage. I'm not trying to fan the flames of the current pro-drm/anti-drm war that is currently ensuing. But I can't help but wonder, has DRM (Denuvo or others) ever actually stopped a game from being pirated? I kind of feel like DRM is the digital age form of snake oil. If its never actually worked before, why do devs even bother to pay $$$ to use it? especially if it really does impact performance, which I truly am not educated enough about DRM to say whether or not thats the case.

Disclaimer: I do not by any means condone piracy, as you can tell by my robust library of games, I pay for my games and support developers (For better or worse).
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short story, its impossible to stop a game being cracked in the end drm is a piece of code, it will eventually be reverse engineered
Kabob Oct 31 @ 6:08pm 
Right now it's a tollbooth.

The developers know it'll be defeated, but getting those week one sales by all the players whom have to have it NOW, is the biggest draw to using it.
Grogg Oct 31 @ 6:09pm 
Originally posted by Kabob:
Right now it's a tollbooth.

The developers know it'll be defeated, but getting those week one sales by all the players whom have to have it NOW, is the biggest draw to using it.

I guess that does make sense from a sales standpoint.
It makes it harder to pirate, or at least it did. But Denuvo its self is pretty thoroughly cracked - that's why ubisoft added an extra layer of obfuscation, making it harder for crackers to see what denuvo is actually doing in this iteration.

It is silly to say that DRM doesn't impact performance whatsoever, but it also silly to pin all of the performance issues at the feet of DRM. It really depends on the DRM - from what we know about denuvo it isn't that bad in terms of resource usage. But the issue today is that Ubi have also added VMProtect on top of Denuvo to make cracking harder, but also causes more CPU usage in the process (how much of an impact it is having is wildly being debated).

Why they are using it? Because they are convinced that is does impact sales in the first week or two. If you can avoid being cracked in the first month then the theory is, you should get the most money possible. Of course whether or not it is worth it is debatable. It's pretty hard to determine which purchases are from someone who would have otherwise not bought it and just pirated it.

There is also the end goal of getting to the point in which games are not really crackable. The best way to do that is to keep experimenting, even though we know there is one really good way - and that is to require always online and have the server control most of the in game triggers while the client knows as little as possible about what is going on. Doing that is obviously more expensive, and can♥♥♥♥♥♥customers off quite easily if they don't have good internets.
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Avvance Oct 31 @ 6:14pm 
Originally posted by Kabob:
Right now it's a tollbooth.

The developers know it'll be defeated, but getting those week one sales by all the players whom have to have it NOW, is the biggest draw to using it.

Wonder what they'll do if people realize this and just stop buying games at launch week ?

Because right now all drm does for me is just tell me not to buy at launch and wait for the game to be cracked so I can then buy a drm free legit copy.
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Dallx Oct 31 @ 6:18pm 
the game is f*cking great, so I can forgive them for this, it would be nice if they lifted DRM at some point, or improved the performance in some way later though

Personally, the game runs butter smooth for me on i7 and 980ti, save for some 1-2 second lag spikes that happen every once in an hour or so. But if so many people are complaining about DRM screwing over their fps, then there must be something wrong with it.
Either that, or it's a well planned out conspiracy by pirates to force ubisoft to lift DRM so they can crack it easier lmao
Avvance Oct 31 @ 6:19pm 
To be honest I don't why they didn't just carry on with trigger switches like the anti-glide cape in batman if the copy was cracked. Nice simple switch that doesn't even come into play for legit copy's and only affects cracked copy's, rather than making everyone suffer.
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Pirates are mad they couldn't pirate the game fast. Good job Ubisoft.

I like to see poor thiefs
Originally posted by ン ミ オ S A C H I:
Pirates are mad they couldn't pirate the game fast. Good job Ubisoft.

I like to see poor thiefs

I like to see multiplayer cheaters suffer myself. Because while a pirate doesn't affect a legitimate customer in any way what so ever (except to improve their game if the company get rid of the DRM when it's cracked - oh, and those guys cutting their teeth in hacking games have an extraordinary overlap in the people who defeat the large scale virus' and hacks) where-as a multiplayer cheater ruins the game for everone he comes into contact with.

How's that VAC ban going!
Originally posted by Sleepy Will:
Originally posted by ン ミ オ S A C H I:
Pirates are mad they couldn't pirate the game fast. Good job Ubisoft.

I like to see poor thiefs

I like to see multiplayer cheaters suffer myself. Because while a pirate doesn't affect a legitimate customer in any way what so ever (except to improve their game if the company get rid of the DRM when it's cracked - oh, and those guys cutting their teeth in hacking games have an extraordinary overlap in the people who defeat the large scale virus' and hacks) where-as a multiplayer cheater ruins the game for everone he comes into contact with.

How's that VAC ban going!

Found a mad pirate. Sorry you can't pirate the game :^)
We’re confirming that the anti-tamper solutions implemented in the Windows PC version of Assassin’s Creed Origins have no perceptible effect on game performance.
In order to recreate a living, systemic and majestic open world of Ancient Egypt, where players can witness all of its stunning details, its beautiful landscapes & incredible cities, in a completely seamless way with no loading screens, Assassin’s Creed Origins uses the full extent of the minimum and recommended PC system requirements here: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1759689 while ensuring a steady 30 FPS performance.

We’re committed to ensuring the most optimum experience possible for everyone, and we advise any players who may encounter performance issues on PC to check out support.ubi.com as there might be already a workaround or to contact us further explaining their issues so that we can solve them.
Stop ruining video games, why do PC gamers always get punished over console gamers.
Originally posted by UbiJurassic:
We’re confirming that the anti-tamper solutions implemented in the Windows PC version of Assassin’s Creed Origins have no perceptible effect on game performance.
In order to recreate a living, systemic and majestic open world of Ancient Egypt, where players can witness all of its stunning details, its beautiful landscapes & incredible cities, in a completely seamless way with no loading screens, Assassin’s Creed Origins uses the full extent of the minimum and recommended PC system requirements here: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1759689 while ensuring a steady 30 FPS performance.

We’re committed to ensuring the most optimum experience possible for everyone, and we advise any players who may encounter performance issues on PC to check out support.ubi.com as there might be already a workaround or to contact us further explaining their issues so that we can solve them.

Im sorry but then why does your in-game performance tracker consider 30FPS are low performance. 40 is considered stable and above is good or whatever. We all know 30 fps isn't the best..Don't get me wrong the game looks stunning and i'm really enjoying it but there is defo something up with the performance here and there is something you guys arnt telling us
Originally posted by UbiJurassic:
We’re confirming that the anti-tamper solutions implemented in the Windows PC version of Assassin’s Creed Origins have no perceptible effect on game performance.
In order to recreate a living, systemic and majestic open world of Ancient Egypt, where players can witness all of its stunning details, its beautiful landscapes & incredible cities, in a completely seamless way with no loading screens, Assassin’s Creed Origins uses the full extent of the minimum and recommended PC system requirements here: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1759689 while ensuring a steady 30 FPS performance.

We’re committed to ensuring the most optimum experience possible for everyone, and we advise any players who may encounter performance issues on PC to check out support.ubi.com as there might be already a workaround or to contact us further explaining their issues so that we can solve them.

How was this tested and how was the impact to performance calculated? Are you willing to disclose how often VMP calls are triggered and how much CPU utlization the calls use when they are made? At what level does Ubisoft consider the impact of these things as "perceptible"?

Thanks
"while ensuring a steady 30 FPS performance." -

A steady and cinematic 30 frames per second.
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