PipBoy 3000 Mar 14, 2014 @ 12:47pm
Kalypso Account
Do i really need to create an account?
i bought the game and i want to play it.
Is there a way to play without an account? If not, can i get my money back? i dont want to create a useless account...just for playing a bought (offline) game...
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mmmcheesywaffles Jun 20, 2014 @ 3:20am 
I agree - If I'd known that I would need this I would not have bought the game.

I won't be recommending any Kalypso products from now on -unless thery change this. I only bought this version so I could play through Steam. I already have the hard copy version.

I'll have to wait now til I make a specific throwaway account just ot enable my game.
PipBoy 3000 Jun 20, 2014 @ 4:24am 
i found out, how i can play without creating an account... you have to block the calypso launcher in your windows firewall - then the game will start instantly without the log in screen.

but after 3h playing the game i found out that patrician 2 gold edition is the better one...the 3D graphics s*ucks and dont improve the gaming experience...
i wish i could get my money back....plus getting extra money for creating/using a workaround for those obstacles and wasting time for all that and playing the game... :D:csgogun:
mmmcheesywaffles Jun 20, 2014 @ 4:41am 
Thanks.. I don't suppose you have the file location for that exe? I've never blocked a Steam game up til now.

I actually don't mind the newer look. I don't really bother whick looks better. I've been recommneding teh game for years based on playability. But until they fix this issue teh only comment they'll be getting from me is warnings to others. I won't be buying later Kalypso gaems while they make an external account a requirement.
PipBoy 3000 Jun 20, 2014 @ 6:05am 
%ProgramFiles% (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Patrician IV\Patrician4.exe
this is the exe i blocked...it depends on, where you installed the game if you have more than one steam library path
i blocked also the addon, just to be sure^^
to configure your windows firewall just type in your start-search-field "windows firewall" and wait for the suggestions. then click on "windows firewall with extended security" (or something like that...i translated this from german to english^^)
then you have to create rules for incoming and outgoing connections where you block the game in every network(work-/Home-/Public), each IP-Adress and all ports for UDP and TCP (so you have to create for each connection 2 rules)
after this workaround it should work :)
mmmcheesywaffles Jun 20, 2014 @ 8:26am 
Thanks - I have two machines with different firewalls but I installed to the default. Once upon a time I always remembered where files lived :) Now I get rusty... but at least I remember enough ot configure firewall rules :)
PipBoy 3000 Jun 20, 2014 @ 8:27am 
haha happens :)
enjoy the game and have fun^^
daan_hugo  [developer] Jun 25, 2014 @ 2:25am 
Hi!

Just a little hint:
I'd not recommend to skip the launcher by blocking it with your firewall (or simply just without internet connection) as you won't get any patches which are highly recommended!

If you want some more details about the launcher you should have a look at this:
http://forum.kalypsomedia.com/showthread.php?tid=7909

Best regards,
Daan
PipBoy 3000 Jun 25, 2014 @ 4:58am 
oh, thanks for b*llsh*t! :)
you mean Steam doesn't provide us with patches etc?
If you would had implemented an option to NOT CREATE AN ACCOUNT TO PLAY, then we would use the launcher, i think...but the way it is now i won't even buy a kalypso game again! Just because of the launcher! ;)


Best regards,
me!

mmmcheesywaffles Jun 25, 2014 @ 5:19am 
Originally posted by daan_hugo:
Hi!

Just a little hint:
I'd not recommend to skip the launcher by blocking it with your firewall (or simply just without internet connection) as you won't get any patches which are highly recommended!

If you want some more details about the launcher you should have a look at this:
http://forum.kalypsomedia.com/showthread.php?tid=7909

Best regards,
Daan

Using a separate account is far more a marketing ploy than DRM. All I want is a fuss free install, that let's me play this old game when I'm, in the mood. If I wanted to go offline ot play I may as well have stuck with the original disc based version and not paid for the Steam copy.

As for updates & news well those apparently can still be done if I opt for the illegal path... I won't! I think it a shameful thing that you employ methods that make me even think about that.

So that leaves me with too much hassle for now. But you lost an avid Patrician fan who has recommended the game thousands of times over the years. You probably don't care about that. As this problem apparently remains an issue in your later products. I can only hope you change your minds and adopt a fair method such as relying on the Steam DRM.

I've only written reveiws for a handful of games and Patrician was one of them... I'm very tempted to remove that favourable reveiw. Other Publishers seem to manage without your methods, so why don't you change it? Why not look after the customers who love your games and avoid making us even think about having to go illegal just to play them even when we have paid for a legitimate version?

Whilst I personally will not break the law to play your game I fear you will lose more customers than you keep by adopting such DRM tactics.

All i want is to load and play a game I'm willing ot pay for. I kept my partr of the bargain - you have 2 payments for the 2 copes - but I cant play either through Steam.

You may think I am overreacting. Perhpas if I explain why I don't want to register.....

I have memory issues that make it difficult for me to rememeber precise accoutn details, and I tend to lose the notes I make. So having lost access to a couple of those accounts I stopped making them. It is enough hassle for me keeping a secure account for Steam and other email. I could make it easier only by jeoprdising my security by making the pw's the same but I won't be that stupid.

Ideally, you would properly explain how I can play & update Patrician through Steam without an additional email registration process... or refund my Steam wallet and remove the game. But I doubt you will do either. I note that Steam has recorded my attempts to install as 'play' time.

One more thing... Do you really beleive that the people who like a game like Patrician are the sort that need such DRM? I don't. I also find it hard to beleive that theives who would play the illegal version would ever buy it in the first place. So who is that DRM stopping?
PipBoy 3000 Jun 25, 2014 @ 12:17pm 
i agree with mmmcheesywaffles!

by the way i just saw a hint for the final fantasy XIV game on their shop-site that when i buy it i need a square enix account....those or this hint wasnt shown when i bought the patrician game!!! if this hint where on the patrician site like it is on the final fanatasy XIV shop-Site i would know that i had to create an account and i wouldn't buy it.
daan_hugo  [developer] Jun 26, 2014 @ 2:01am 
Hi!

Don't kill the messenger :P I just wanted to give you the hint and in addition I have to correct myself: As this is not the boxed version we're talking about updates should load without launcher! Sorry for that misinformation.

Anyways, I can understand your point, but I understand the point of Kalypso too.

However, to gurantee the best experience of the game you might consider to do the following (my personal / a developer's point of view):
Maybe it would be a good idea to open an email account just for the purpose of registering to such lauchers. If you don't change your machine, memory issues shouldn't be the issue as the required login data will be saved on your system (in case of the Kalypso-Launcher). With that way you would be able to play online and so on, but if you don't want to play online you will be able to skip the launcher (it should offer this option) so you don't have to login each time.

Best regards,
Daan
PipBoy 3000 Jun 26, 2014 @ 2:14am 
Well, boy...that is the problem...if you're online and don't want to create an account you cant play the game... :S
you can't skip the launcher without going offline or blocking it...
we wouldn't be so upset if we could just skip the launcher and play offline (in my case i dont want to play online/multiplayer...didn't even did that with P2).

The launcher and the compulsion to create an account to play are the reasons why i will avoid any kalypso game in future...not only because P4 s*cks in compare to P2 :-D

But i thank you for your point of view as a developer and appreciate your opinion, cause you're right from your point of view and the point of view from kalypso...but we all know, that there are way more better ways than the one kalypso is going with "DRM"

I also know that you can do what ever you want with the stuff you create(it is kalypsos right to protect their stuff)...but if you want satisfied users/gamers then you shouldn't put a lot of obstacles in the way of your honest users/gamers who buy the game and support you!
Those who just steal the game and don't pay a penny for it got it way more easier to play the game and don't need to leave to the mercy of kalypso their privat data - AND that is unfair...

mmmcheesywaffles Jun 26, 2014 @ 2:46am 
Originally posted by daan_hugo:
Hi!

Don't kill the messenger :P I just wanted to give you the hint and in addition I have to correct myself: As this is not the boxed version we're talking about updates should load without launcher! Sorry for that misinformation.

Anyways, I can understand your point, but I understand the point of Kalypso too.

However, to gurantee the best experience of the game you might consider to do the following (my personal / a developer's point of view):
Maybe it would be a good idea to open an email account just for the purpose of registering to such lauchers. If you don't change your machine, memory issues shouldn't be the issue as the required login data will be saved on your system (in case of the Kalypso-Launcher). With that way you would be able to play online and so on, but if you don't want to play online you will be able to skip the launcher (it should offer this option) so you don't have to login each time.

Best regards,
Daan

I appreciate your response.

However, what you suggest still causes me issues. There will come a point when I change my machine. At that point unless I have succeeded in keeping a note of the throwaway account log in details I will lose access to that account. I've tried that method and lost access to 2 other games or thier Forums. Most likley that will mean Kalypso will want me to buy a THIRD copy just so I can play 1 copy of the game on 1 machine.

My memory issues arise from illness and medication. Patrician is one of several games that helped me get back my health as I was able to play a very relaxed game between sleeps when I was otherwise almost immobile. The thought processes involved no doubt helped me increase my bloodflow to my brain at a time when I may have deteriorated without that stimulus.

So... you can see I am a real fan of the game. I have actually played thousands of hours. During that time I have played 1 copy on 1 machine but the machines involved totalled about nine. Some were machines that died on me others were machines I left with family who I visited several times a year. In all cases I was the only player with access to the game.

From what you are saying it would seem Kalypso may not even offer me the opportunity to allow my single instance of the game to follow me when I change location, without some security correspondance? This being one of the major benefits Steam users have come to accept as the norm.

So whilst I accept that some DRM is acceptable to protect your rights I find it very difficult to accept that Kalypso are choosing a fair and appropriate method. Without a warning on the Store page it is not acceptable that I am unable to play the game AND run Steam at the same time. If that restriction is something you won't change then you need to warn your potential customers before they waste money on a purchase. You need to consider that my attempts to install the game have generated logged play time even before I managed to get the game running [only by closing my Steam connection; which was the reason I was buying this second copy!]

So in keeping this archaic DRM you are losing custom from people who actually love the game and would most likley generate many sales for you. I know for certain I have helped you sell copies. I really do feel that when chossing the DRM a Publisher needds to consider very carefully who that DRM will hurt.

Like I mentioned I now have 2 copies of the game both requiring that same log in; or me stopping them from going online. I cannot run Steam while I play the game. Yet pirates have apparently got the game running and freely avaialable. I feel that in selling the game on Steam you havea duty to ensure the game is playable within the Steam engvironment or that you dispaly a warning prior to sale. Without such a warning Kalypso may actually be breach of European legislation regarding digital content.

So it's Thumbs Down from me from now on. Instead of actively encouraging buyers I will be warning those I can. You will lose sales you would otherwise have made. The pirates will still do what they do. But it isn't just the sale of the game you lose... you lose a customer each time and I have a box with no less than 7 copies of Kalypso games but I won't be buying any more. Incidentally I paid full launch price for several of those games.



mmmcheesywaffles Jun 26, 2014 @ 2:55am 
Originally posted by PipBoy 3000:
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we wouldn't be so upset if we could just skip the launcher and play offline (in my case i dont want to play online/multiplayer...didn't even did that with P2).
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Personally I would like to be able to play locally with my son when he visits. As I have 2 copies I had hoped that possible. However, I would be content with Single Player.

I must admit I feel defrauded. Especially after years of encouraging sales of the Patrician games to vulnerable people who are bedridden or limited in their ability to handle games with more action.
daan_hugo  [developer] Jun 26, 2014 @ 3:31am 
Hi!

@Pipboy300:
you can't skip the launcher without going offline or blocking it...
Yes, there are methods: You can use steam in offline mode (your machine will still be online) or
(I guess the following will not satisfy you) you can skip the launcher after you have an registered account during the login process. Comparing to piracy might not be a good example for several reasons: Updates might not be included or doesn't work at all; No support in case of issues; Comparison works for many other games which are from different developers/publishers; and so on...

@mmmcheesywaffles: Well, it's not excactly like that. I've heared before that customers have lost their passwords for the launcher and as long as you can remember your email adress (or key) the support of Kalypso might help you to reset (or similar method) your password. I just wanted to state, that the login data must not re-entered every time you start the game. If you have steam installed on several machines you'll be able to play the game on those machines - only the login data need to be used once, so the machine will remember it ;)

As I'm a devoloper of the game (I'm not at marketing or something like that) I don't have much influence whether on the content shown on the shop page nor on the decision about DRM, but I'll forward your objections about that.

@both of you: I got your point and I'll broach it. Thanks for the detailed response.

Best regards,
Daan
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