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Faze Duckfoo Dec 2, 2012 @ 8:16pm
Nerf Viper
every game alll i see is viper killing everything. he has too much hp and too much dmg. just nerf him now
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Faze Duckfoo Dec 2, 2012 @ 8:16pm 
nerf it
Sir Gnome Dec 2, 2012 @ 8:47pm 
Viper can be handled pretty easily with stuns, phantoms/illusioned heros, invisibility, or leading attacks with a tank like skeleton king, tiny, centaur warrrunner, or treeent protector. Focus viper down early in a team fight, or just disable him for most of it. Viper can be scary in low level games (where I play) because it's easier than other heros to get all the kills with viper, which gives viper a lead.

He isn't even in the top 10 for most sucessful heros. Drow Ranger and Centaur Warrunner both win 59% of matches. https://dotabuff.com/heroes/winning
CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar Dec 2, 2012 @ 8:57pm 
Viper is a good mid game ganker and semi carry but he isn't by any means a hard carry, unless he really snowballs. But that's just because the other team played really badly and not because he's an OP hero.

Chain stun him and finish him off.
Faze Duckfoo Dec 7, 2012 @ 9:16pm 
Ahh
IMAD Jan 21, 2013 @ 3:44am 
Originally posted by fernie_lotz:
Viper is a good mid game ganker and semi carry but he isn't by any means a hard carry, unless he really snowballs. But that's just because the other team played really badly and not because he's an OP hero.

Chain stun him and finish him off.
Chain stun most heroes and you can finish them off, he's my best hero under the performance tab, very easy to pwn with a shadow blade, easy to harass lanes and easy to get last hits too.
SomeGuy Jan 21, 2013 @ 3:51am 
Most of his damage is magic, buy hoodie.
kRONOSMEiSTER Jan 21, 2013 @ 3:54am 
too much hp ? :D sure if he buys HOT
Arx Akmarum Jan 21, 2013 @ 4:02am 
Pick lycan, buy dust, ♥♥♥♥ viper.
sharks Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:11am 
Yeah ♥♥♥♥ viper. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slow. Absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Very difficult to kill one on one. And don't tell me to pick a different hero because I like playing certain heroes and if any other hero in the game makes the ones I enjoy invalid, it needs to be changed.
CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by Vixori:
Pick lycan, buy dust, ♥♥♥♥ viper.

Or Lifestealer, any hero with magic immunity would have a good chance at getting close enough to Viper to kill him. Lifestealer's slow also puts Viper's slow to shame...
Zefar Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by Hipster:
Most of his damage is magic, buy hoodie.

Actually Viper damage isn't mostly magic. He's powerful due to that he can slow people down by 40% and their attack speed.

He has some minor poison damage skills and even his ulti is only used to slow people down.

Maybe you're thinking of Venomancer which has a lot of magic damage.

If life Stealer pops his magic immunity and slow, Viper should just move back until the duration is off. It's what any good hero could do.
Xmas Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by Sir Gnome:
... leading attacks with a tank...
Since you dont play against npc's having an agro system letting you manipulate who gets attacked the role of "tank" has no real place in dota2 .... instead there is proper initiation ... batrider storm tide enigma magnus sandking nyx .....
CryHavoc&LetSlipTheCreepsOfWar Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:42am 
If lifestealer is able to get his slow on Viper while magic immune, then Viper won't be able to move back fast enough as Lifestealer is rightclicking him to death. It would be a tough situation for one without an escape mecanism such as as shadowblade or if a support on the team has forcestaff or something.
Timeraider #EarthlingHype Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:47am 
Ey look.. a windrunner who knows what hes doing.. ey look.. a dead Viper
Cube Lyfe Mar 26, 2013 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by CoS Timeraider:
Ey look.. a windrunner who knows what hes doing.. ey look.. a dead Viper
so true
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