Getting out of 2.7K Treanch Bracket

[Bruce Offlane!]

I am a Hard Support / 5th position player who LOVES to ward and get Cour, roam and get kills. Gank mid and kill the midder. If enemy team has a jungler then give him/her a visit early game and delay his/her blink (Axe /LC) but most of the times I get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ carries. I was 2700 20 days ago. I literally win-loss -won -loss around 10 games and I am where I was 20 days ago. Unfortunately I can't farm worth ♥♥♥♥ as I am the solo ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ support with my 4 Carries FML. Any suggestions? I can play carry too but then next game it'll be a 5 Carry team. GG

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omniknight everygame

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I'm gonna admit, getting out of 2k as a support can be quiet frustrating, but there are a few support heroes that can help quiet well.

Oracle, Lich, Omniknight, Warlock, Witch Doctor and Treant.

You may ask why only these few: it's because they are having really good spells that are good the entire game over. Sure, you can pick shadow shaman all day long and lose every game, but that is not really the goal.

So... why these heroes?

Oracle: so much utility, you will see it when you can play him properly.

Lich: strongest ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ armor spell apart from warcry and his ult will just destroy teams.

Omniknight: 60%+ across all brackets should speak for themself.

Warlock: one of the best counter initiator supports that are out there.

Treant: a global range heal + a significant ult, that can just stun the entire enemy team? Sign me right the ♥♥♥♥ up.

Witch Doctor: that stun + ult will ravage enemy teams.

The biggest problem is to pick the right support hero, in the right case.

[Bruce Offlane!]

Yes. I did think of Oracle and Even Shadow Demon but chose heroes that were in my comfort zone. Yes Treant, Oracle, Warlock are super good. I'll definitely start with them. I used to spam CM, Dazzle all this time. Thanks for the advice. The worst thing is you are the Solo support, not allowed to get last hits and get flamed when get kills but your carries want the map to be lit like it's Chinese freaking new year. I do get last hits and killa when I nees to though. If you see my Dota Buff its really funny, Green-Red-Green-Red and so on.

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Originally posted by Yurnero the Arcana!:

Yes. I did think of Oracle and Even Shadow Demon but chose heroes that were in my comfort zone. Yes Treant, Oracle, Warlock are super good. I'll definitely start with them. I used to spam CM, Dazzle all this time. Thanks for the advice. The worst thing is you are the Solo support, not allowed to get last hits and get flamed when get kills but your carries want the map to be lit like it's Chinese freaking new year. I do get last hits and killa when I nees to though. If you see my Dota Buff its really funny, Green-Red-Green-Red and so on.

Dazzle and CM are (in my opinion) the worst supporters in the game for low bracket. Sure, they might have useful spells, but what do you think will happen with those "useful spells"?

Will your 4 core carry team jump in with the armor your provide them?
Will your 4 core carry team gank with your frost stun thingy?

Ans let's talk about how useful Dazzles defensive spells will be, when you have 4 core heroes who all have 0 farm. Or your CM ult / stun when there is a riki who will instantly smoke you, while you got 0 gold for BKB, since you have 4 cores who are not willing to buy 1 ward.

So yeh, picking supporters that do damage and are in a good synergie with your teammates is the true art of supporting properly.


I forgot to mention Ogre Magi.

[Bruce Offlane!]

XD Yea. Deep down I actually knew my picks were not exactly awesome, looks like I didn't want to leave my comfort zone as I was already with stupid carries. I'll try new heroes that you suggested. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Yurnero the Arcana!:

XD Yea. Deep down I actually knew my picks were not exactly awesome, looks like I didn't want to leave my comfort zone as I was already with stupid carries. I'll try new heroes that you suggested. Thanks.

And before I forget to mention it: no matter what guides or other people say, think for yourself.

Let's take for example you play Lich and normally you would buy tranquil boots. Now you see that you have in your team: spirit breaker, faceless void, medusa and sniper. So you might trust the "normal build" and go for tranquil boots but what will happen next? Exactly, your teammates will go faster out of mana than Sanic can run. So you go for which boots? Right, arcane boots.

You just have to think outside the box as a support. Correct items, correct positioning, correct pick and most importantly, correct decisions. These are the reasons why so many people think playing carry is way harder. They don't realize that supporters have a way harder job than a carry who can farm all game long.

[Bruce Offlane!]

Yes. True. Noted. Who in the right mind would think carrying is difficult?! Really? Carrying is the most brain dead job. Well almost... I'd love to play with you. What MMR and location you play?

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by A C T U A L M A G I C - Kael:

Will your 4 core carry team gank with your frost stun thingy?

Thing is Frostbite isn't even a stun, it's a root with a disarm.

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Originally posted by Yurnero the Arcana!:

Yes. True. Noted. Who in the right mind would think carrying is difficult?! Really? Carrying is the most brain dead job. Well almost... I'd love to play with you. What MMR and location you play?

It depends. Support neither playing carry is an "easy" job. As a carry you have to get constantly farm, as a support you have to constantly have control over the game. My last game, I was troll warlord, my Invoker called "gg" at the 15 minute mark because he was getting constantly killed. Sure my Pudge could not land 1 hook properly, my Invoker was never in a teamfight and my CM, I have literally no clue what she was doing the whole game over, but anyway, my Kunkka and me were able to win this, because the enemies were so sure about their win, that they ignored me farming.

Or another example: I was playing Sven and my whole team was not really that helpful. At minute 45 (I think) all 5 enemies were standing at my rax, trying to take them down. I ulted, stunned them all, BKB on, landed a crit and got an ultra kill, with the enemy slark barely getting away. It's true that supporting is a way difficult job, but a good carry can make a huuuuuuuuuuge difference and you as a support player, have to exactly understand which moves could make a difference and which not.

I rarely play ranked and I play mostly on EU west, with another account.

[Bruce Offlane!]

Oh yes definitely. It's the Carry that wins the game in the end and he must keep farming efdiciently and make his build according to enemy team. I find The rolos of a support morw difficult as they are much more vulnerable. Anyways I can't play in European servers get 130 MS there. I play in India/Dubai and SEA. Thanks for the help.

[MrKleptoman]

Omniknight is pretty useless if your team can't coordinate a fight which is pretty common in 2.7k. Dazzle is better as it can win you unwinnable fights with grave, heals and + armor. Also with dazzle you can zone their solo offlane completely or have ez kill. Poison touch OP.

[Poponontotusos]

SS, Lion and SD are good supports to IMO.

SS has the best gank tools IMO. Except the creep slayer (Q), he has shackle that trap an enemy up to 5 seconds. if that's not enough, HEX. Then we have Mass Serpent wards. Don't only use his ult on towers FFS. You can destroy most carrys 1v1 by combining Mass serpents with shackle and hex. And he isn't very item depended. Aim for arcana boots, Mech if no one else does, another mana/int item becaus you need that if you want refreasher orb (becaus his lvl 3 ult cost 600 freaking mana points).

Lion has a AoE spike, Hex, Mana drain and Finger of Death. Which translate to AoE stun, Disable, ♥♥♥♥ you Medusa/Slark/Wrath King or any mana depended hero and Dagon 9000.

Shadow Demon require some more skills though. But his Disruption is golden. Save allys/carrys from stuffs like Necros ult or ganks, clone your ally for extra firepower/push, Disrupt enemy and watch there clones destroy them.

Soul Catcher is good to, but not to early. That 50% amblified damage won't do to much for you there.

His cancer clodes is one of the best zoner spells early game. You can spam this few times at the first few levels. And if your really lucky, can lead to a first blood.

Ultimate is a purge that goes through BKB. Do I need to write anymore here?

[Frieda]

Spam Shadow demon, learn oracle and use Omniknight.
I really respect your text and the way you wanna learn more and complain about your ♥♥♥♥ carrys. when i was 2k i had the exact same rough time.
how did i climb to 5k? we mostly played as 3x or 5x stack.
find a good carry in a public match, add him and go together in a match so you can trust him and your supporting is WORTH because he will SURE CARRY the match.
you just need good friendly mates.. this will cheer you up and give you hope my friend.
you are doing well.
And dont worry about " 20 days "
would you believe me if i told you that i hit 4k over 25 times?
hard times. 2-3 month stuck at 3950 - 4050. i couldnt hit 4100.
2-3 month bro. so 20 days is fine its okay! keep going !
i am still supporting sometimes. its fun! and the most important role is 5 imo

[Puffin]

Treant is OP (his winrate stat is not so good just because his pick rate is very low) Anyway I am far better winrate with him than Omni has.
Q you can hide anybody in your team
W you slow the chased enemy or you give more heal to your team
E global healing for anybody or any buildgs (last patch buffed it more) and not just heal but you block damage on the target it can be almost as good as lich armor
R you can block the entire enemy team in a good place
+ aga global warding and if the enemy in the rage of ward they get not only block but nice damage

I am boosting myself easily with treant from low mmr

[Bruce Offlane!]

Originally posted by Zabijácká roztomilost:

Omniknight is pretty useless if your team can't coordinate a fight which is pretty common in 2.7k. Dazzle is better as it can win you unwinnable fights with grave, heals and + armor. Also with dazzle you can zone their solo offlane completely or have ez kill. Poison touch OP.

IKR People don't care to level Poison Touch at all but I do it 1St. It makes the enemy hero I am laning against cry. It's one of the MOST underrated Lvl 1 spell.