Bikes Sep 22, 2013 @ 10:25am
Valve really needs to get rid of pinion from the offical line up already.
Seriosly this entire week the pinion servers have been just awful, and not up to the standard that a offical server should be, and this has happened quite a few times in the past. Either tell pinion to keep their ♥♥♥♥ fixed or stop giving them ad revenue they don't deserve.
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Dr Chaos MK Sep 22, 2013 @ 6:31pm 
Servers that do not work well for you, might work just fine for others. I agree I have had nothing but bad experiences. But that does not mean others will have bad experiences.
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Bikes Sep 22, 2013 @ 6:34pm 
Originally posted by Dr Chaos MK:
Servers that do not work well for you, might work just fine for others. I agree I have had nothing but bad experiences. But that does not mean others will have bad experiences.

Which is why everyone's ping was crap in some servers and the zombies were lagging so bad that we voted to return to lobby in others. I know the difference between a server being crap and my internet lagging out on me thank you.
Dr Chaos MK Sep 22, 2013 @ 6:39pm 
Originally posted by Bikes:
Originally posted by Dr Chaos MK:
Servers that do not work well for you, might work just fine for others. I agree I have had nothing but bad experiences. But that does not mean others will have bad experiences.

Which is why everyone's ping was crap in some servers and the zombies were lagging so bad that we voted to return to lobby in others. I know the difference between a server being crap and my internet lagging out on me thank you.
And again like I said, NOT everyone has bad experiences with Pinion. And again I say I also have had nothing but bad experiences. But that does NOT mean EVERYONE will have high ping. It's almost like the debate over people saying official dedicated are bad servers cause they have lag. Well i don't. Official works just fine for me. But I am not going to force people to use them if certain people have bad issues with them. Things work differently for different people thank you very much.
Captain Caboose Sep 22, 2013 @ 8:09pm 
Pinion servers are generally terrible all across the board, even their TF2 servers. As Official Dedicated servers, they do not measure up to Valve's servers and should be downgraded to Best Available.
Dr Chaos MK Sep 22, 2013 @ 8:29pm 
Originally posted by Those Dirty Blues:
Pinion servers are generally terrible all across the board, even their TF2 servers. As Official Dedicated servers, they do not measure up to Valve's servers and should be downgraded to Best Available.
A very good point. Pinion servers were NEVER fully part of Valve in the first place.
#sixtyeight Sep 23, 2013 @ 2:18am 
The Pinion servers are awful and deserve the bad reputation they get. On the old Valve official servers I always had green ping with zombie movements very smooth. On Pinion it's always orange/red with jerky zombies. I'm also pretty sure they were one of the first servers in L4D2 to put video advertisements in the MOTD. They had a huge problem a while ago where the ads would crash the server, lol!
Bikes Sep 23, 2013 @ 3:43am 
Originally posted by Dr Chaos MK:
Originally posted by Bikes:

Which is why everyone's ping was crap in some servers and the zombies were lagging so bad that we voted to return to lobby in others. I know the difference between a server being crap and my internet lagging out on me thank you.
And again like I said, NOT everyone has bad experiences with Pinion. And again I say I also have had nothing but bad experiences. But that does NOT mean EVERYONE will have high ping. It's almost like the debate over people saying official dedicated are bad servers cause they have lag. Well i don't. Official works just fine for me. But I am not going to force people to use them if certain people have bad issues with them. Things work differently for different people thank you very much.

Ok fine, it's a good thing that everyone in game and this forum seems to agree with me. Seriously stop harping on such a minor things, the servers are bad, why are you white knighting pinion so much >_>



Originally posted by lagosta:
I'm also pretty sure they were one of the first servers in L4D2 to put video advertisements in the MOTD.
They existed before, but not on official. I don't remember the ads ever loading before the game started prior to pinion though, but it was awhile ago.
Shao Sep 23, 2013 @ 10:07am 
Originally posted by Dr Chaos MK:
And again like I said, NOT everyone has bad experiences with Pinion. And again I say I also have had nothing but bad experiences. But that does NOT mean EVERYONE will have high ping. It's almost like the debate over people saying official dedicated are bad servers cause they have lag. Well i don't. Official works just fine for me. But I am not going to force people to use them if certain people have bad issues with them. Things work differently for different people thank you very much.

There's 1 out of 50 servers of pinions that are actually decent to play on. On the first fact, the sv_region of pinion white label is just horrible. All of their servers are settled worldwide or at least in my experience, it redirected me so EU and South America servers on lobby many times, which is kind of stupid because none of players lives in there most of the time. On the quality side, sometimes (Or even often) servers have fps and reg issues. Like really bad, it's not even funny. Almost like a self srcds exploit, which is a big wonder why it's happening. L4D2 hosting is not really asking for many ressources.
[linux] sophia hapgood Sep 23, 2013 @ 1:23pm 
Pinion server quality has its ups and downs. A while back there was a bug on Pinion servers where realism games would have 0 melee weapons available, currently yes there is bad lag, but most of the time the servers are ok.
Bikes Sep 23, 2013 @ 7:26pm 
Originally posted by GOZU:
Pinion server quality has its ups and downs. A while back there was a bug on Pinion servers where realism games would have 0 melee weapons available, currently yes there is bad lag, but most of the time the servers are ok.

The problem is that's really not ok. While I admit valve servers weren't flawless in time pinion has been around I've encountered far more unplayable servers than I did prior. If you're going to be official (and make us sit through ads on top of it) keep your servers fixed, otherwise they really have no right to be used about other dedicated servers.
Dr Chaos MK Sep 23, 2013 @ 7:59pm 
Originally posted by Bikes:
Ok fine, it's a good thing that everyone in game and this forum seems to agree with me. Seriously stop harping on such a minor things, the servers are bad, why are you white knighting pinion so much >_>
Not " white knighting " it at all. If you would read my posts, I also have had mostly bad experiences with Pinion. However, I also understand & accept OTHER people have good experiences with Pinion servers. While YOU & ME may have had bad experiences, does not mean YOU can flame them so hard as to prevent OTHERS from enjoying them if they do. In all honesty, how often do individuals come onto forums to compliment good things? Usually never. Usually people post on forums to complain about bad things. I mean, does ANY of us TRULY know the numbers of people enjoying Pinion VS the number of people hating Pinion?
Bikes Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:04am 
Originally posted by Dr Chaos MK:
Originally posted by Bikes:
Ok fine, it's a good thing that everyone in game and this forum seems to agree with me. Seriously stop harping on such a minor things, the servers are bad, why are you white knighting pinion so much >_>
Not " white knighting " it at all. If you would read my posts, I also have had mostly bad experiences with Pinion. However, I also understand & accept OTHER people have good experiences with Pinion servers. While YOU & ME may have had bad experiences, does not mean YOU can flame them so hard as to prevent OTHERS from enjoying them if they do. In all honesty, how often do individuals come onto forums to compliment good things? Usually never. Usually people post on forums to complain about bad things. I mean, does ANY of us TRULY know the numbers of people enjoying Pinion VS the number of people hating Pinion?

A. A lot of the issues are just flat out broken servers, it doesn't matter who connects, their are issues that shouldn't happen. (Jerky zombies despite green ping, crashes etc etc) It's a problem that exists, and anyone who doesn't complain just lucked out and didn't happen to play on that server at the time it was that badly broken.
B. There's obviously enough people having issues, this isn't the first thread on this forum about it and pretty much everyone in game seems to hate them. If people in other countries are doing fine good for them, host the servers for them. But when a significant enough group of people are having issues then it's a problem that needs to be fixed, even if it's only 10% of the community having problems it's broken.
ᗷᗴᗩᖇ Sep 24, 2013 @ 3:22pm 
Pinion servers have been trash since day one and people have been complaining since day one. Valve doesnt care. Pinion doesnt care. Dont expect anything to change. An extreme portion of the original l4d servers all got retasked to valves garbage money making machines like dota and the market backbone.

Just do what anyone that takes this game somewhat seriously does. Rent or host your own server.
Weaver Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:35pm 
Pinion servers are terribad. It feels like I'm on P2P.
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