Mr. Beh Jul 30, 2013 @ 2:15pm
Official servers DDoS attacks
Maybe that there was already a discussion about this before (probably), but I'm getting ♥♥♥♥ed of kids Ddosing the server I play on just because his team his losing. Thing is, do the developers of this game regularly update the servers or they just stopped taking care of them a while ago?
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Mr. Bubble Blast Jul 30, 2013 @ 2:20pm 
Does Anyone else gets Server Attacked because you are beating another team?
yeah is it pretty annoying, looking forward to servers update too... Nowaday it looks like anyone can DDoS...

Seriously.... make the Server Attacks stop..
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ᗷᗴᗩᖇ Jul 30, 2013 @ 2:22pm 
Stoped caring along time ago. Most people when DoSing are using an srcds exploit thats been around for 3+ years now. The competitive community made their own patches years ago valve just doesnt give a fkcu. Whats gonna make them more money? Patching one of thousands of holes in their netcode or making another hat/trading card for idiots to buy on the market?
Mr. Beh Jul 30, 2013 @ 2:23pm 
I agree...I would have been surprised if they actually cared about their servers lol.
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Mr. Bubble Blast Jul 30, 2013 @ 2:25pm 
Originally posted by NobleGoats:
Stoped caring along time ago. Most people when DoSing are using an srcds exploit thats been around for 3+ years now. The competitive community made their own patches years ago valve just doesnt give a fkcu. Whats gonna make them more money? Patching one of thousands of holes in their netcode or making another hat/trading card for idiots to buy on the market?

I know right... that and reta r ded steam profile levels which most likely never ends...
They should learn their priorities.
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Artificial Proxy Jul 30, 2013 @ 3:38pm 
Not sure if anyone here knows what DDoS actually is. Random people CAN'T DDoS a server till it gets overloaded. It requires that thousands of computer in, most normally, botnets that attacks the same server at the same time. So i seriously doubt random people in L4D2 can do that because they are losing. People with botnets doesn't even bother playing games since they usually are only after taking down bigger sites on the web but not servers for games.

Originally posted by NobleGoats:
Stoped caring along time ago. Most people when DoSing are using an srcds exploit thats been around for 3+ years now. The competitive community made their own patches years ago valve just doesnt give a fkcu. Whats gonna make them more money? Patching one of thousands of holes in their netcode or making another hat/trading card for idiots to buy on the market?

I'm not well read in this kind of area but those exploits seemed to be on even futher back then 2007. From what i know is that Valve has patched a lot of those exploits through the years. BUT! There is no such thing as "secure". There will always be one way or another to exploit a system. Patch one? People will find another one.

But yet again i doubt DDoS attacks occour. Why would anyone with the skills to create a botnet use it for trival thins like game servers. Are you guys sure its not the serverside/your own internet that is faulty?
Mr. Bubble Blast Jul 30, 2013 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by Artificial Proxy:
Not sure if anyone here knows what DDoS actually is. Random people CAN'T DDoS a server till it gets overloaded. It requires that thousands of computer in, most normally, botnets that attacks the same server at the same time. So i seriously doubt random people in L4D2 can do that because they are losing. People with botnets doesn't even bother playing games since they usually are only after taking down bigger sites on the web but not servers for games.

Really, How come I get ddossed on demand then?, A botnet follows the server i am playing in and kills it?, cause im pretty sure Not every servers are being attacked at same time, and for overload, is 2300MS on 8 persons a good overload?
Artificial Proxy Jul 30, 2013 @ 3:47pm 
Originally posted by Bubble Blast:
Originally posted by Artificial Proxy:
Not sure if anyone here knows what DDoS actually is. Random people CAN'T DDoS a server till it gets overloaded. It requires that thousands of computer in, most normally, botnets that attacks the same server at the same time. So i seriously doubt random people in L4D2 can do that because they are losing. People with botnets doesn't even bother playing games since they usually are only after taking down bigger sites on the web but not servers for games.

Really, How come I get ddossed on demand then?, A botnet follows the server i am playing in and kills it?, cause im pretty sure Not every servers are being attacked at same time, and for overload, is 2300MS on 8 persons a good overload?

You as a single person CAN'T get DDoS ed. And no. 2300 MS is not a good overload. If there was an actual DDoS attack you would get dropped from the server and the server would not be able to hold any players at all. A botnet is something that a thousand to a million peoples computer are together infected by a virus to make them do whatever the main computer wills. What i can see is that either you have a problem with package loss. (are you on wireless?)
Otherwise you could also have a faulty network card. Faulty network cards work 100% well one moment and then goes to hell and are super slow the other moment.
Mr. Beh Jul 30, 2013 @ 3:52pm 
Proxy, you're completely wrong about the fact that random people can't ddos. You should have noticed by now that DDoS programs are sold on the internet, and that you only need the server IP address to send an attack, simple as that. However, CREATING the program is something hard, but once it's done, any1 can use it very simply. And i'm not sure that when everyone has 999 ping on the server until the connection to it is lost is a faulty internet connection rofl.
Mr. Bubble Blast Jul 30, 2013 @ 3:52pm 
Originally posted by Artificial Proxy:
Originally posted by Bubble Blast:

Really, How come I get ddossed on demand then?, A botnet follows the server i am playing in and kills it?, cause im pretty sure Not every servers are being attacked at same time, and for overload, is 2300MS on 8 persons a good overload?

You as a single person CAN'T get DDoS ed. And no. 2300 MS is not a good overload. If there was an actual DDoS attack you would get dropped from the server and the server would not be able to hold any players at all. A botnet is something that a thousand to a million peoples computer are together infected by a virus to make them do whatever the main computer wills. What i can see is that either you have a problem with package loss. (are you on wireless?)
Otherwise you could also have a faulty network card. Faulty network cards work 100% well one moment and then goes to hell and are super slow the other moment.

That is the most stupid thing i ever heard... My internet is Wired, it is WAY Enough to run the game, and 2300MS fyi, is UNPLAYABLE, even having hard time to call a vote/write in box, all 8 PLAYERS have the same lag at same time, and When i change server, the same thing happens after 2-3 minutes of being in that new server.

that is called a track-DDoS, and yes, it is happening, Before you post something else go inform yourself of what can be done over those bad servers with no protection.
And for the disconnection, it is after 30 seconds of innactivity : that means 30, 000 MS Ping, ... hence why i and They ( other players ) dont get disconnected.
Artificial Proxy Jul 30, 2013 @ 4:19pm 
Originally posted by KBz | Mr. Beh:
Proxy, you're completely wrong about the fact that random people can't ddos. You should have noticed by now that DDoS programs are sold on the internet, and that you only need the server IP address to send an attack, simple as that. However, CREATING the program is something hard, but once it's done, any1 can use it very simply. And i'm not sure that when everyone has 999 ping on the server until the connection to it is lost is a faulty internet connection rofl.

....... You can download a DDoS program any day from the internet for free. Heck, you can even try DDoS by typing in "ping serverip" in the cmd. BUT! I say it again. DDoSing requires THOUSANDS of people to attack the server at the very same time. So really. If 10 people decides to attack one server. The server won't even budge. Nothing will happen.

If you still want to bother about random Distrubuted Denial of Service attacks, here is links where you can educate yourself in the field:
ftp://137.226.34.227/pub/reports/2005/2005-07.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_7-4/dos_attacks.html
Or if you want easier level:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/zombie-computer.htm



Originally posted by Bubble Blast:

That is the most stupid thing i ever heard... My internet is Wired, it is WAY Enough to run the game, and 2300MS fyi, is UNPLAYABLE, even having hard time to call a vote/write in box, all 8 PLAYERS have the same lag at same time, and When i change server, the same thing happens after 2-3 minutes of being in that new server.

that is called a track-DDoS, and yes, it is happening, Before you post something else go inform yourself of what can be done over those bad servers with no protection.
And for the disconnection, it is after 30 seconds of innactivity : that means 30, 000 MS Ping, ... hence why i and They ( other players ) dont get disconnected.

"happens after 2-3 minutes" Sorry mate its not me thats stupid here.

DDoS attacks don't wait. They are constantly attacking non stop even in loading screen.
Then there is a server side fault. Not a DDoS attack. I say it again:
If it was a real DDoS attack then the server woudn't even hold the players on the server. It would be overloaded. And 30 000 ms ping=/= 30 seconds of inactivity. Inactive is when you are away from computer. If you mean 30 seconds of "Lost connection" you can simply just lose connection for 3 seconds and the server deny your new connection. Henche you get dropped from the server. Or the connection gets accepted and you can continue playing. This happens also when you got package loss. Please refer to my links above if you want to educate even the slightest in the field. When you have done that you can come back to me with an actual argument.

Track DDoS= tracing DDoS attacks to try to stop the DDoSing.
Clippy™ Jul 30, 2013 @ 4:21pm 
Valve gives no ♥♥♥♥s.
Mr. Beh Jul 30, 2013 @ 4:32pm 
Originally posted by Artificial Proxy:
Originally posted by KBz | Mr. Beh:
Proxy, you're completely wrong about the fact that random people can't ddos. You should have noticed by now that DDoS programs are sold on the internet, and that you only need the server IP address to send an attack, simple as that. However, CREATING the program is something hard, but once it's done, any1 can use it very simply. And i'm not sure that when everyone has 999 ping on the server until the connection to it is lost is a faulty internet connection rofl.

....... You can download a DDoS program any day from the internet for free. Heck, you can even try DDoS by typing in "ping serverip" in the cmd. BUT! I say it again. DDoSing requires THOUSANDS of people to attack the server at the very same time. So really. If 10 people decides to attack one server. The server won't even budge. Nothing will happen.

If you still want to bother about random Distrubuted Denial of Service attacks, here is links where you can educate yourself in the field:
ftp://137.226.34.227/pub/reports/2005/2005-07.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_7-4/dos_attacks.html
Or if you want easier level:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/zombie-computer.htm


It requires hundreds of computers to attack one server, you're right on this. What do you think a DDoS program is for?
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Mr. Bubble Blast Jul 30, 2013 @ 4:37pm 
So ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Im saying that EVEN though I change server, SOMEONE TRACKS my Official servers IP and DDoSes it.
Then I change game, And yet after 1-2 minute the DDoS of the NEW SERVERS IP, Gets DDoSed. And this for all day/week longs.

If you never got attacked by a random dude that decided u deserved to get ddossed, then dont ♥♥♥♥ing write anymore okay?
Mr. Bubble Blast Jul 30, 2013 @ 4:44pm 

Track DDoS= tracing DDoS attacks to try to stop the DDoSing.
Im talking here about single individuals attacking single servers. Specificed, and servers that I am playing on, Not any other but the one I am on. How would that be?
Artificial Proxy Jul 30, 2013 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by KBz | Mr. Beh:
Originally posted by Artificial Proxy:

....... You can download a DDoS program any day from the internet for free. Heck, you can even try DDoS by typing in "ping serverip" in the cmd. BUT! I say it again. DDoSing requires THOUSANDS of people to attack the server at the very same time. So really. If 10 people decides to attack one server. The server won't even budge. Nothing will happen.

If you still want to bother about random Distrubuted Denial of Service attacks, here is links where you can educate yourself in the field:
ftp://137.226.34.227/pub/reports/2005/2005-07.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_7-4/dos_attacks.html
Or if you want easier level:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/zombie-computer.htm


It requires hundreds of computers to attack one server, you're right on this. What do you think a DDoS program is for?

The DDoS program does the work of ONE computer. The other computers must be infected with a worm and turned into zombies as they are called. Zombie computer-army of thousands of people are called a botnet. And it is botnets that is required to be able to do something against a server. Otherwise there is pure hacking is involved. And no kiddy is able to do that. Ever wondered why the guys behind botnets never get caught? These people are real intelligent. And now i mean a lot above avarange and has loads of compter experience. DDoS as an individual (the program) is used for example by the "so called" group anonymous which people either vulentarly went into the botnet OR they got into an IRC (chat client) to vote and to target specific servers and then everyone opens the program and starts DDoSing. One of the big targets that has been taken down is the FBI and mastercard. So you can concider the power in a a DDoS attack when they can take down Goverment homepages at ease.
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