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❤ crasX.gc ❤ 2013年4月25日上午7:33
Aimbots
Hi,
I've been seeing a huge increase in aimbots on my community server. Is valve going to fix this or am i SOL?
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Fast Twitch 2013年4月25日上午7:35 
SOL
LucK_NoT_SkiLL 2013年4月25日下午12:04 
I've been playing since launch day and have yet to see a single hacker.
dustinandband 2013年4月25日下午1:03 
I ran into someone using an aimbot recently. I was suprised because I thought the VAC status would automaticaly detect it but I suppsoe they found a way around it.
The Glitch 2013年4月25日下午1:37 
yep thay do exsist I spec some one at gun level and the gun jerk to all the zombys even from miles away but only seen it onece jerk that perfict, but this is one of them games you can tell within 20 secound whos cheating whos a noob and who is good. somtines it not aimbots its admin using kill command just had that now was about to chage some off roof and insta kill imposable considring he was healing the guy was it insta gun swich aim and shoot and dead cannot be it takes at least 1 secound to swop to wepon from med kit.
best way to avoid this is play with frends only if you can its the only way to get a good game as well not worth playing with unballnced teem noobs.
Mr.Diddlez - Tech Issues. .-. 2013年4月25日下午2:11 
引用自 RazerJack
yep thay do exsist I spec some one at gun level and the gun jerk to all the zombys even from miles away but only seen it onece jerk that perfict, but this is one of them games you can tell within 20 secound whos cheating whos a noob and who is good. somtines it not aimbots its admin using kill command just had that now was about to chage some off roof and insta kill imposable considring he was healing the guy was it insta gun swich aim and shoot and dead cannot be it takes at least 1 secound to swop to wepon from med kit.
best way to avoid this is play with frends only if you can its the only way to get a good game as well not worth playing with unballnced teem noobs.

That hurt my brain to read that.
You do know full stops should be applied to this pargraph? XD
Bikes 2013年4月25日下午4:17 
引用自 -RF-dustinandband
I ran into someone using an aimbot recently. I was suprised because I thought the VAC status would automaticaly detect it but I suppsoe they found a way around it.

Vac isn't instant, you can get away with cheating for a little bit, but then it will catch up to you.
John Brazil 2013年4月25日下午4:36 
In my 2000 vs games I've yet to come across one. Never in campaigns either. Sometimes when you get owned lol step back and think about it objectively. Rather than accusing others of cheats.. assess your infected strategy. Likely you'd find your setup was generic..and easy to see coming :/
Bikes 2013年4月25日下午4:38 
In my 2000 vs games I've yet to come across one. Never in campaigns either. Sometimes when you get owned lol step back and think about it objectively. Rather than accusing others of cheats.. assess your infected strategy. Likely you'd find your setup was generic..and easy to see coming :/

They do come up from time to time, I've seen 2 really obvious ones before (As in their camera was spazzing the ♥♥♥♥ out and they were insta killing anything near them, plus one of them was teleporting at will)
Although I have seen far more false accusations.
VoxLusa 2013年4月25日下午4:39 
I play this game for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen someone "aimboting". (note that I'm not saying there aren't people who use such things, hacks/cheats, I know there are)
I've been "hackused" a few times of cheating when I just have a good amount of hours put into the game and can usually react quickly and aim decently enough in Versus...
And the same thing happened with a few friends too (and it still happens, occasionally). And tbh we're not even great players or Confogl folks... (we rarely even play Confogl). We just have some situational awereness.

@ OP:
Just because you think that you saw somebody using aimbots, it doesn't necessarily mean that the player was cheating. He/she might just be a good player.
varjak4 2013年4月25日下午5:29 
引用自 HO LEE ♥♥♥♥
yep thay do exsist I spec some one at gun level and the gun jerk to all the zombys even from miles away but only seen it onece jerk that perfict, but this is one of them games you can tell within 20 secound whos cheating whos a noob and who is good. somtines it not aimbots its admin using kill command just had that now was about to chage some off roof and insta kill imposable considring he was healing the guy was it insta gun swich aim and shoot and dead cannot be it takes at least 1 secound to swop to wepon from med kit.
best way to avoid this is play with frends only if you can its the only way to get a good game as well not worth playing with unballnced teem noobs.

WE HAVE THE PENTAGON'S TOP CRYPTOLOGISTS WORKING 24/7 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥ YOU JUST SAID
flyinghitcher 2013年4月25日下午6:14 
varjak4, If you are gong to be smart arsed, at least use punctuation yourself.
John Brazil 2013年4月25日下午6:38 
引用自 varjak4
引用自 HO LEE ♥♥♥♥

WE HAVE THE PENTAGON'S TOP CRYPTOLOGISTS WORKING 24/7 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥ YOU JUST SAID

We've got our top agents working around the clock on this issue. So far we have mounds of intelligence reports and hours of recorded game play. My team and I will be investigating futher. That is all.

At any event, if you cheat at this game you're pretty much a failure at life. As it's so easy already... And really lol doesn't require skill that can come from a bot. You need to have timing, solid team work, and familiarity with maps\infected and spawn points. This kinda skill can not be achieved w\ aimbotting. The most challenging problem in vs is the server crashing... That warrants a lot more attention than the 1% using an aimbot.
รקคςєςคtคz 2013年4月26日上午1:04 
In all my time I've seen maybe 2 aimbotters, it's mostly speed hacks I see being used or madmin abuse. However 98% of the games I've played have been 100% legit as far as I can tell.

The OP if he is an admin there are plugins to detect cheats, those of you trying to crack wise about his skill know this, right?
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Lemmers 2013年4月26日上午3:11 
Do you think aimbots are on the rise because you are using plugins to detect them and getting detections that way? From what I hear, false positives on those programs are normal and not a sign of hacking until they really stack up against one user. Or are you just basing this information on your playing experiences? I could count on one hand the amount of actual aimbots I've confirmed by spectating another players view. But what's far more common are people claiming an aimbot exists when there's no proof of it, just because they think anyone who is better than they are must be "using something" to help their aim. If I'm wrong, feel free to post demos to prove so.

That being said, if you are running a 3rd party server that loads addons, you're open to every kind of material hack there is. It could range anywhere from silenced gun sounds (on the "not so bad" side) to full-blown invisible trees, bright red SI, and no view-obscuring texture when boomed. VAC does nothing to prevent these, and some are even posted on the Workshop. This is why all competitive modes should have addons disabled. I would welcome aimbots, because they are obvious to see, easy to catch and eventually VAC banned. It's material hacking that I'm more paranoid about, because anyone can do it and it's extremely hard to detect. Everyone with a good set of headphones can already "see" through walls just by listening and using common sense, so questionable shots can always be chalked up to "headphones and luck" even if that wasn't the case.

tl;dr Aimbots exist, but are not a problem in L4D2.
Rex Bellator 2013年4月26日上午5:09 
LOL these so-called "experts" who boast hundreds of hours of gametime claiming they've never seen a hack are either lying (perhaps hackers themselves sowing misinformation) or complete blithering idiots, I'm looking at you holster and luck_not_skill.

Seriously, you people are embarrassing yourselves.

Anyone who has played versus for more than a few hundred hours will have seen at least a few hackers here and there. If you play the same group of friends repeatedly then perhaps this might explain your bewildering naivete, in which case, you should not be commenting because your experience counts for nothing.

Aimbots, wallhacks, speedhacks and ESP hacks are a very real thing in Left 4 Dead 2. Thankfully, they aren't as prevalent as they used to be, perhaps as casual gamers have moved on to other games, their presence - however- is still felt.

There are two types of hackers: brazen hackers and the competitive hackers.

Brazen hackers don't care if you know they're hacking. They will often show off their hacks mid-game; they often equip the hunting rifle and one-shot infected from almost any angle. I have seen hackers employ speed hacks where they warp around at will while insta-killing everyhting that moves. Many do it for the lulz as they grief your game into irrelevance. (For the record this was on official Valve servers not third-party custom servers.)

Competitive hackers are smarter, they may even be good players. They don't use their aimbots continuously; preferring instead to have it binded to a key for occassions that require precision. They will one-shot special infected with little or no fail. Naturally this type of hacker is harder to detect. Only through careful observation via spectating them in first-person can one discern if they are hacking.

Indicators such as a target recticle that bounces from target to target, a continuous ability to one-shot special infected and know their positions even before they spawn.

The so-called "experts" above might disagree, saying that these things can easily be mistaken for skill.

I say bull puckey.

There's skill, there's luck and then there's hacks.

First of all, everyone eventually gets lucky. You line up a shot, pull the trigger and you insta-kill a smoker, or hunter, or spitter...whatever... in one shot. That happens to the best and worst of us. However they clearly don't happen all the time and for good reason.

Even if you have the nerve induction of a South Korean Starcraft player hopped up on a triple-espresso latté and speed, you cannot - I repeat - cannot defeat the game's built-in ballistics (not through normal unassisted means anyway) which are designed to scatter bullets over a particular distance. It's there to ensure that even a good shot cannot simply dominate infected from a distance.

Don't believe me? Go ahead, grab a sniper rifle, aim for a spot a decent distance away, and try to hit the same spot more than once. You can't do it. The source engine randomizes the trajectory within certain parameters. If the game handled bullets like lasers then a little bit of practice we'd all be able to one-shot infected. It's really not that hard since we're literally talking about moving a dot with a mouse and pressing M1.

And, while keeping this in mind, just as you can't hit the same spot over and over with precision over a distance, imagine trying to hit headshot a smoker's from 100 yards away while moving and dodging common (not to mention server latency). Hell even when you have a clear shot it doesn't kill them - and yet - these so called skillful players never seem to have this issue.

I will reiterate however: this class of player is hard to detect. Only time and experience can inform one if they are indeed hacking. Generally speaking, if their skill seems too good to be true - even by "pro" standards - it generally is. Thankfully this class of player is especially rare.

Whether hacking poses a problem for the L4D2 multiplayer scene: yes and no.

Broadly speaking they are few and far between now that they are little more than a nuisance, not so much back in the day when they were as thick as thieves. But hackers DO have a major impact on individual games. They *can* ruin the experience especially if they consistently give themselves the upper hand. Hacking, thankfully, doesn't always mean an insta-win for the hacker though. An experienced team of legitimate players can easily take away any advantage a team may have from a single hacker (if a team has more than one that's a different story altogether).

If you come across hackers best thing you can do is to disconnect, report them and find another game; don't give them the satisfaction of a game. The sooner they get bored of having their incomplete games shut down the sooner they'll move on to other games.
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