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Eiran_Kisotsu(既卒) 3 април 2013 в 3:19сут.
In Expert it is really in-balanced. Noone test-played it ?
Expert Difficulty is very in-balanced.

Seriously Valve did Test-Played it ?

Reason:
There are very few items .
it means No choice on tactics.

I seen ppl camping "same place" in every game every day.

Because in Expert All players have to play "Very Defensive".
there is No choice on How to fight.
"Camp the same place every game"

In Expert, I cant shoot a zombie behind friend.
Because, Frinedly Fire may deals 50+ dmg to friend.
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Eiran_Kisotsu(既卒) 3 април 2013 в 3:24сут. 
I played Advanced 100 times, it is good experience.

But Expert is...not fun.

Expert = "Camp the same place every game every day"
ᗷᗴᗩᖇ 3 април 2013 в 3:28сут. 
There is a choice.

You can rush your balls off if you're actually good at this game. Anyone with meager skill can crawl through an expert campaign,
Genghis Khun 3 април 2013 в 3:47сут. 
Expert is just like ♥♥♥♥ING HARD alone the fact that a normal zombie deals you 20 damage on every hit
cresion 3 април 2013 в 4:09сут. 
try realism expert if you like to play in such hard games even in new play on addon maps
cresion 3 април 2013 в 4:10сут. 
i recommend you 'silent hill' custom maps , there are many version of it. every single one is damn hard and amazingly funny
Lemmers 3 април 2013 в 6:35сут. 
Besides extra medkit spawns outside of saferooms, what items are missing? You still get the same item spawns as lower difficulty games, and you have all the time in the world to search every nook and cranny for them.

Limited tactical choices? You're only limited by your skill and imagination. I have no problem covering teammates with a Hunting Rifle when playing Expert coop, but every shot has to be exact or I'll incap them. But I like knowing that my actions have immediate consequences. If it didn't matter if I shot them or not, I'd just blindly spam fire towards them without thinking twice about it. Without the added danger of very high damage and death everywhere, Coop would be a complete joke. AI special infected are laughably bad opponents to play against, so at least the common infected will keep you on your feet when they come at you from all sides and you try to fight them off without taking damage. Playing Advanced is like playing with godmode turned on. Where's the fun in getting through each level with green health and no incaps?

But even Expert gets boring, to the point where I'm only entertained playing L4D2 if I'm playing Versus against a good team. Coop is still fun if you have three friends with mics you can talk with for the 90% of the time when it's just clearing out rooms and searching for supplies. But at that point, the game is just an excuse to have a chatroom with your friends. Not that that's a bad thing, as long as your friends are entertaining.
Muleke_Trairao 3 април 2013 в 7:05сут. 
you guys are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, expert is hard because it's expert!Why the ♥♥♥♥ the name of the difficulty is expert?i didn't find un-balanced, it is pretty balanced and challenging.
R+L=J 3 април 2013 в 3:59след. 
There is a reason why its called "expert". Not really hard if you are good at game and know certain points. Stop complaining and play more campaign, get better and then try Expert.
3errick 4 април 2013 в 7:44сут. 
Първоначално публикувано от Pokotan.jp:
Expert Difficulty is very in-balanced.

Seriously Valve did Test-Played it ?

Reason:
There are very few items .
it means No choice on tactics.

I seen ppl camping "same place" in every game every day.

Because in Expert All players have to play "Very Defensive".
there is No choice on How to fight.
"Camp the same place every game"

In Expert, I cant shoot a zombie behind friend.
Because, Frinedly Fire may deals 50+ dmg to friend.

No, you can easily camp somewhere else, some places are just better. There are also many viable spots. E.g. for Dark carnival finale, you can camp on the stage, on either corner of the stands, on top of either platforms, etc, actually you can camp anywhere you want or even run around the whole finale since there are so many gas cans, molotovs and firecrackers to help you kill the zombies.

Also, sometimes you can rush through some of the areas instead of camping. E.g. Swamp fever, the part where you use the lever to activate the small bridge or the other chapter where you open the airplane door, you can actually run all the way to the safehouse instead of camping if you feel like it.

You can definitely play offensive, just that most can't. Slow and steady is easier than rushing.

Of course you shouldn't be shooting through your friend in the back without any penalties, why should you be able to?
lil_meow 5 април 2013 в 1:47сут. 
Just be glad they've nerfed it since the beginning of l4d1.

Back in the day a single zombie scratch was 20...so imagine a random double scratch taking 40dmg @ 20 per. I dont play any different than i do normally do in Advanced. Other than maybe not being as aggressive with specials. You shouldnt have to camp all day...maybe when the horde rolls in, but other than that just make sure u clear out the common. Cuz its the common that takes most teams out, from what ive seen anyways.
HEV E!ite 5 април 2013 в 8:35сут. 
Under 100 hours in Left 4 Dead 2, expert is agreeably hard. After 100 hours expert should be a breeze.
Short Stuff 4 май 2013 в 7:39след. 
Here's what I think: Expert is an impression of how hard the infected would hit in real life. Getting punch really hard in the face/stomache isn't going to feel good, especially if 10 others are doing it at the same time. Nor is being torn apart (Hunter) is going to feel good. But I believe it is balanced. Sometimes I noticed that not knowing it is on Expert actually helps when you treat the game like it is on Normal. And besides, it's called Expert for good reason. It is not like most games where the difficulty is called "INSANE!" and the enemies have only like +5 damage. The only time I have a problem with expert is during finales, but I usually make it half way through the finale each try. With bots.

TL:DR Expert is not as bad as you think.
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Blingie 4 май 2013 в 10:20след. 
Expert is fun especially when the 3 teammates are down and 1 is like "♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥" and runs off to the saferoom
ÜberKiller 5 май 2013 в 4:07след. 
Expert was made so it gives players the ultimate test of teamwork. It wasn't meant to be hard, okay maybe it was. But it wasn't made for players to like to rush or don't cooperate, as that is what most players usually do. In expert, you have to slow down, pace your shots, and learn strategies to just make it from saferoom to saferoom.

It's the ultimate team experience if you know what you are doing, but the worst trap for new players.
Nosfrat 5 май 2013 в 4:44след. 
"no choice on items"
yeah, so? that's the whole point of expert, being hard, so obviously you're not gonna find a grenade and pills around every corner.
no choice on tactics? I take it that you can't play worth ♥♥♥♥ therefore you have to sit in a corner whenever something's happening. try realism expert, or some mutations on expert (hard eight, lone gunman...) then come back again saying expert is hard, and camping is the only viable tactic.
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