youtube.com/watch?v=3Zn07H6tRgY Mar 31, 2013 @ 12:19pm
Valve programmed in cheats to help the weak
You would think that when you buy a game, the last thing you would expect is cheats from the people that made the game. Valve essentially lied to us. Many of the things you think are glitches or lagg, are essentially the game helping the weaker team. This is the most raged game ever made and Valve isn't too happy with that title. So they essentially cheat good players so that bad players don't rage. If you are one of the bad players benefiting from this "Handicap system", then you will object to what I am saying. Some examples:

*Passing through survivors as chargers, hunter, or jocky
*No horde when boomed or Bile that gets only on 1 player when you know you boomed 3.
*Multiple random hordes for 1 team, few for the other
*Dumb bots or not bots for 1 team, infected bots that spawn every 5 secs for the other team.
*Smoker tongues that break or can't reach.
*10 shots to kill a smoker, while other team seems to get 1 shot kills. Valve actually programmed aimbot into this game to help bad players.

The list is actually 10 times longer. Vary subtle little things to slow down the better team. Respond below if you have seen other crazy things. This game is 1 big lie. Before any of you respond and say this isn't true. Let me show you a conversation with Tech support from 2010:

Ticket number 6153-RIPH-1832
Category Game/DLC Questions > Performance Issues
Email XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Steam Account Login Name MagXXX
Operating System Windows XP
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1 Message by you on Wed, 15th Dec 2010 10:54 pm
I really would like to get these lag issues fixed. I don't understand why it used to take me 1 shot to kill infected, then 3, now 7-8 shots? People on the forums say the director only makes it harder for skilled players in campaign and not vs. Is this true?
2 Message by Support Tech Miles on Fri, 17th Dec 2010 11:14 am
Hello Bruno,

Thank you for contacting Steam Support.

It sounds like you are possibly playing on a higher difficulty or the AI Director is attempting to level the playing field. Special Infected should rarely be one shot kills in versus.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.
3 Message by you on Tue, 4th Jan 2011 10:58 pm
I forgot to mention that it is when I play versus, not campaign. Does the AI Director level the playing field in VS? Thanks in advance.
4 Message by you on Tue, 11th Jan 2011 8:12 am

My apologies for the delay.

Yes, the AI Director will try to level the playing field in a Versus match to give you a more competitive game.

If you have any further questions, please let us know - we will be happy to assist you.

So there you have it, Valve is selling us a game as "fair" i.e. keeping score, when the game is actually rigged. Don’t waste your time competing with this game or caring about the score, it’s rigged. And you wonder why so many people get mad in this game - it because Valve is controlling outcomes without our knowledge or disclosure. Respond below if you think Valve, should at least inform people that the game is rigged. I think it would help stop much of the griefing and craziness.

If you think this is made up, Valve can easily check the ticket number (Ticket number 6153-RIPH-1832) and declare me a liar. But it is NOT.

After they tell the truth, maybe we can get a refund for their lies. If we cheat, we get banned and we have to buy the game again. What should the punishment be for Valve? Respond below.
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Bikes Mar 31, 2013 @ 12:36pm 
*Passing through survivors as chargers, hunter, or jocky
This is from crummy lag compensation more than anything, it's not cheating just a issue with how the game handles calculations

*No horde when boomed or Bile that gets only on 1 player when you know you boomed 3.
The hitbox is kind of weird, and I admit I wished it was more consistent. Some things do effect it though.

*Multiple random hordes for 1 team, few for the other
I agree with this being BS, although usually it only happens a lot if you're going through the level really slow.

*Dumb bots or not bots for 1 team, infected bots that spawn every 5 secs for the other team.
Bots are constantly stupid, the infected ones are more or less fair, the only issue is the sheer randomness of the competence of the survivor ones.

*Smoker tongues that break or can't reach.
Sometimes glitchy, but mostly reliable

*10 shots to kill a smoker, while other team seems to get 1 shot kills. Valve actually programmed aimbot into this game to help bad players.

What aimbot exactly? The survivor bots? A head shot from a sniper will kill in one bullet, but a shotgun from half way across the room will take massive more amounts. It's consistent and fair, you're just not paying enough attention.

Overall yes the director is sometimes funky, but it's not really handicapping people.

Although looking at your profile it seems like there's no point in arguing, you seem hell bent on blaming the game for your own suckage.
youtube.com/watch?v=3Zn07H6tRgY Mar 31, 2013 @ 1:18pm 
Have you noticed in some levels all you get are sniper rifles? That's Valve's way of disguising the 1 shot kills. You are drinking Valve's Koolaid if you ignore the chat with tech support. And Bikes, how did you see my profile? it's on private - you work for Valve?
Bikes Mar 31, 2013 @ 1:21pm 
Originally posted by Most raged game ever made:
Have you noticed in some levels all you get are sniper rifles? That's Valve's way of disguising the 1 shot kills. You are drinking Valve's Koolaid if you ignore the chat with tech support. And Bikes, how did you see my profile? it's on private - you work for Valve?

Screen shots aren't private.
And how is that disguising one shots? That has got to be the dumbest conspiracy theory ever. Weapons are randomized, snipers one shot most infected with headshots, that's all there is to that.
And support aren't experts on the game, they probably only know the basics of how the director works.
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youtube.com/watch?v=3Zn07H6tRgY Mar 31, 2013 @ 1:51pm 
"And how is that disguising one shots? That has got to be the dumbest conspiracy"
Let me explain, since you not getting it. If some gets 1 shot killed with an uzi, you think aimbot. If they get 1 shot killed with sniper rifle, it was the gun. Let me explain this further since you not getting it; Since the Ai director balances teams, it will do it based on team collective skill. Since you haven't played with me, you will not see the cheats as bad. I have played many games where 2 of the levels were sniper rifles (3 guns) and nothing else - you probable have not seen this, I have.
♥ ҉҈҉҈҈҉ ArrowTheUnicorn (Banned) Mar 31, 2013 @ 2:27pm 
well if the team scores are 1000+ apart then I would expect the director to spawn random hordes and stuff for us. Otherwise there would be 2x as many rqs
party pooper Mar 31, 2013 @ 2:57pm 
the ai director dosnt even have code for most of the stuff your complaining about. better players will get more commons and less usefull items. it has nothing to do with infected health or passing thru survivors as this is the player moving in time and lag compensation failing to show them move. get a fiber optic commection and learn how the ai director works and you will find it is fair enuf for competitive play.
Bikes Mar 31, 2013 @ 3:17pm 
Originally posted by Most raged game ever made:
"And how is that disguising one shots? That has got to be the dumbest conspiracy"
Let me explain, since you not getting it. If some gets 1 shot killed with an uzi, you think aimbot. If they get 1 shot killed with sniper rifle, it was the gun. Let me explain this further since you not getting it; Since the Ai director balances teams, it will do it based on team collective skill. Since you haven't played with me, you will not see the cheats as bad. I have played many games where 2 of the levels were sniper rifles (3 guns) and nothing else - you probable have not seen this, I have.


A. I have seen almost only snipers before,it happens.
B. No not everyone using uzi's is aimbotting, it happens again head shots matter.

I've got over 1000 hours in this series, I know most of the kinks of how the director works at this point. You obviously don't.
youtube.com/watch?v=3Zn07H6tRgY Mar 31, 2013 @ 3:34pm 
Thank you for your responses. There are about 40 other things that the game does and according to one of you, that's not the AI director. So what is it then? I have 3000 hours and so does my good friend. He agrees with everything I have posted here because he plays with me and witnesses it. He knows that if he plays with me, we have a small chance of winning. Despite us both being good and having 3000+ hours each, I have 40% wins and he has 75% wins. So why does this happen just to me? Can Valve screw with individual people? and why would they? is that legal?
I expected some of you to add to the list, clearly you are not experienceing the abuse that I am. I do want to add a few items for entertainment value. My friends LOL everytime they see it:
* When I scratch the witch as smoker to trigger her, she gets up, kills me (smoker) then runs away never attacking survivors.

*Completely silent Special Infected (my entire team gets this). No sound when the spawn in and absolutely no sound while the wait for you to walk into a room or while the chasing you from behind. If you play with me, it will happen more times that not.

*spawning common infected next to me whenever my teammates get attack. I must have high rescue points for Valve to do this. Nothing like getting kicked because I can't get a shot off because some common started punching me the instant my teamate got pounced. Why not blind us too? Wait they already do ... When boomed absolutely zero visibility for 12 secs (might only be 6 secs for others).

*Running into invisible barriers as both infected and survivors. This is done to delay my attack or escape and help the other team.

*Bot infected spawning in safe room long after safe room door closed. Only I get this.

*Taking 30 damage from being in spit for 1 sec while the other team can stand in it for 5 secs and take only 5 damage. That is 20 times difference; no wonder this game makes people so mad.

I suggest you hold your tab key down and see what damage is really being taken. You will be surprised.
Bikes Mar 31, 2013 @ 3:44pm 
You have 3000 hours and you don't know about headshots or the shoddy lag compensation? >_>
Wtf have you been doing all that time. Yes weird ♥♥♥♥ happens, but it's not the AI director and valve evilly laughing in some lab, it's either glitches or dumb luck, it happens. If the game really tried balancing the game in favor of a tie then one sided matches wouldn't happen, but they happen a lot.
Rubik748 Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:02pm 
Here is a question to Valve and the fans; Why do the Left 4 Dead 1+2 games not show the server list in game searches (with) the ping ratings? Other multiplayer games have this, why not these games?

I've never liked the series for when sometimes you join a game and its lagging due to their end.
Last edited by Rubik748; Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:03pm
Bikes Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:06pm 
Originally posted by rubik748:
Here is a question to Valve and the fans; Why do the Left 4 Dead 1+2 games not show the server list in game searches (with) the ping ratings? Other multiplayer games have this, why not these games?

I've never liked the series for when sometimes you join a game and its lagging due to their end.

Server browser has ping >_>
like QQ in rain Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:19pm 
Originally posted by Most raged game ever made:
Dis gaem is srs bsns guise. Im such a mlg 360 no scope pro and i cannot lose, it's because of the ai director CONSPIRACY ♥♥♥♥ Valve #YOLO.
Rubik748 Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:32pm 
Originally posted by Bikes:
Originally posted by rubik748:
Here is a question to Valve and the fans; Why do the Left 4 Dead 1+2 games not show the server list in game searches (with) the ping ratings? Other multiplayer games have this, why not these games?

I've never liked the series for when sometimes you join a game and its lagging due to their end.

Server browser has ping >_>

Excuse me but let me clarify something here...

In Killing Floor, you go to the internet games tab and can see a list of servers, and they all show the ping rating for the game you want to join. And from so long of playing KF, the ping rating has never lied and has been reliable.

In Left 4 Dead 1+2 however. I cannot tell when a game is high ping or even where the host is located. There is no info to let me know if I join a game and if its gonna be laggy as hell Origin.

Note;
http://forums.wireplay.co.uk/showthread.php?320326-Left-4-Dead-server-browser-available

Why is this hidden? Why do such a silly thing in the first place?
Last edited by Rubik748; Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:37pm
Bikes Mar 31, 2013 @ 4:40pm 
Originally posted by rubik748:
Originally posted by Bikes:

Server browser has ping >_>

Excuse me but let me clarify something here...

In Killing Floor, you go to the internet games tab and can see a list of servers, and they all show the ping rating for the game you want to join. And from so long of playing KF, the ping rating has never lied and has been reliable.

In Left 4 Dead 1+2 however. I cannot tell when a game is high ping or even where the host is located. There is no info to let me know if I join a game and if its gonna be laggy as hell Origin.

Note;
http://forums.wireplay.co.uk/showthread.php?320326-Left-4-Dead-server-browser-available

Why is this hidden? Why do such a silly thing in the first place?

/shrug, but it's a option regardless. I personally don't like it, I rather just join a lobby.
Dr Chaos MK Mar 31, 2013 @ 5:53pm 
Got to agree with the OP about Valve helping the weak. I am mostly a campaign player. And I earned Something Else to Prove achievement before Mutations came out. Then when Mutations was released, people abused it to get achievements. Include the L4D 2 workshop now. And you have so many ways to easily earn achievements. Wish achievements were locked when playing Mutations. And if you use add - ons it blocks them too. But I don't see that happening.....
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