ドラえもん Mar 23 @ 11:23pm
Too many who don't know how to play this game?
I noticed there are a lot people who don't know how to really play this game.For example,if someone got caught by a smoker and that person is right infront of them,they can simply right click to save that person but went on to shoot the smoker and can't even shoot properly,ended up taking a long time to kill the smoker,wasting the person's health.
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gooby pls Mar 23 @ 11:30pm 
They dont notice when other players are in trouble. everytime i have to type "help" or something to make them realize. it's like they play on realistic where there is no blue, yellow or red glow around the player. I think when people can't play l4d2, they didn't play the 1st one. they just lack experience and game feeling
Last edited by gooby pls; Mar 23 @ 11:31pm
Originally posted by ViDexos:
I think when people can't play l4d2, they didn't play the 1st one. they just lack experience and game feeling
That's illogical as hell. That's like saying someone doesn't know how to play Super Mario Bros. 2 because they didn't play Super Mario Bros. 1. Yeah, but l4d2 and l4d1 have the same gameplay (for the most part), but if someone isn't good with part 2, doesn't mean they never played the first. Hell I've seen people who own both, have hours on both according to the profiles, and yet aren't very good in part 2.

As far as OP, yes, that's part of the experience, especially if you're ignorant enough to believe you can join a pub match expecting vets playing. I'd be right to assume you don't have entirely many friends on steam. The few you do have, I'd suggest gathering them up and have them invite some of their friends since you probably won't have enough yourself to get the slots filled up, and presto, you won't have to worry about beginners playing. It's just a tad sad seeing someone who's played the game for a while making the same beginner's mistake of joining pub games with high expectations.
Santee Rhode Mar 24 @ 4:48am 
Originally posted by ドラえもん:
I noticed there are a lot people who don't know how to really play this game.For example,if someone got caught by a smoker and that person is right infront of them,they can simply right click to save that person but went on to shoot the smoker and can't even shoot properly,ended up taking a long time to kill the smoker,wasting the person's health.
I do that not because I don't know it or I want to waste others life, just because I want to kill smoker before he dissapered somewhere on the roof for e.g. Situation is changing when this trapped player have not much life and he can die or being grounded. It always depends of which lvl are you playing, with who, how, when and so.
Everyone makes somethimes simple mistake, just an impuls make that things happened.
DSIgameboy Mar 24 @ 9:48pm 
Give them time. They will learn. They will learn.
[†]Munkee_King[†] Mar 24 @ 10:40pm 
Then, you hit esc, and rage quit.

Do you expect every single player, no matter how new is gonna know the entire game perfectly?
I've had people tell me they just started, and didn't know things like crowning a witch or melee zombies off.
I dont get upset, I just explain what to do, and we continue a fun game.. unless I died, then i'll just spectate them and tell them what would make surviving alittle easier.

And if anyone joins and starts yelling at them for it, while im helping them, I know its mean, but I kick the guy bein a ♥♥♥♥, because no matter how bad someone is, they don't need someone bein a little ♥♥♥ to them whole game like it's gonna help the other guys skill
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PӨLICΣMΛƬЯЇЖ Mar 25 @ 12:54am 
you will find over time you yourself didnt know everything took me years to learn and still dont think i know it all
Take a look at this guide i bet you learn a thing or 3 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=113762019
Last edited by PӨLICΣMΛƬЯЇЖ; Mar 25 @ 12:55am
Mr. Alex Mar 25 @ 5:00am 
Most players think L4D2 is just another fps game, you shoot the zombies and thats it.
L4D2 isnt just a common shooter, it requires real teamwork, and in some cases (like Versus) strategy. So i think this is why most players suck at playing this game, and because they jump right into online play instead of playing Single player.

So i can only give them the same old advice: play Single player so you will know the basics, then go play online.
And dont be a d*ck this is a teamgame, not a zombie shooting contest.
Exo ® Mar 25 @ 6:20am 
Originally posted by Munkee K!ng:
Then, you hit esc, and rage quit.

Do you expect every single player, no matter how new is gonna know the entire game perfectly?
I've had people tell me they just started, and didn't know things like crowning a witch or melee zombies off.
I dont get upset, I just explain what to do, and we continue a fun game.. unless I died, then i'll just spectate them and tell them what would make surviving alittle easier.

And if anyone joins and starts yelling at them for it, while im helping them, I know its mean, but I kick the guy bein a ♥♥♥♥, because no matter how bad someone is, they don't need someone bein a little ♥♥♥ to them whole game like it's gonna help the other guys skill

Dude I don't know how you can be so patient. It's admirable. I just can't be like this. I guess I would be one of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s getting angry in game but come on....
What ♥♥♥♥es me off is when people don't know the very basic stuff like :

1 - shoving to save a mate from a smoker/hunter/jockey (it is THE VERY FIRST THING you see during your first game : the bots free you by simply shoving, so how can someone with more than 10 hours not know that??? I can't understand that)

2 - not helping a mate when he is pinned by a SI : don't they have sound?? Or eyes?? Don't they hear the freaking loud sound of a smoker grab? The alert sound? The message written on the freaking screen?? It is just common sense to me.

It is not a matter of skill. It is a matter of having a brain, end of story.
I don't judge noobs because they don't know this or that detail, I don't get mad at noobs in VS who fail with a charger or a boomer or whatever (it will come with experience) I get mad at people lacking basic common sense.

After ONE game of versus, you understand that you need to go fast between the SI spawns. You know it take 20-25 second for the SI to repop, so it makes sense to take advantage of this time to go as fast as possible (always together) before their next attack. But no, people just walk back, search little rooms everywhere even though they are full life full ammo, and a healthpack + pills. WTF?

For example, last night, Swamp Fever 1st map. My teamates search every single house on the way to the ferry thingy! Every single one, so of course we get attacked by 4 or 5 waves of SI before we even reach the ferry event. Then they defend BY the water, so any charger or jockey can insta kill them. I nicely try to tell them to move faster or to defend in a house, not by the water. No answers. Anyway, we all die after the ferry cuz tank... This guy insults me "Exo you really ♥♥♥♥ed us up". I can't be nice to a guy like that sorry. I can't be polite i'm sorry.
Especially when I did all the work before and never once said anything rude or mean.

I am sorry, but a LOT of people are plain stupid, litteraly, and I don't have the patience to deal with it. I wish I did though, I would be way less mad playing VS and I'd have a better time.
Last edited by Exo ®; Mar 25 @ 6:26am
bunnyrut Mar 25 @ 6:41am 
there is a difference between a newb player and a n00b player.

newbs are new and need help. they are still learning the game. it's your fault if you get caught by a smoker and don't use a mic to ask for help. even with more experienced players they don't notice because they are busy fighting off a hoard. use the mic.
"smokers got me" *they run over and start shooting* "it will let go if you shove me" *shoves you*
i didn't know you had to do that when i first started playing either. if your response is to get mad and call them stupid then there is no way a new person will learn what to do to help out more in the game.
understand?

a n00b player has a lot of experience playing, but none of it has sunk in. they are usually the ones who have played for 40 hours and still manage to shoot everyone. they could be a younger kid, someone playing on a friends account to try out the game, or just someone who doesn't grasp fps and team playing.
there are also the trolls who are bored and come in to make you rage quit.

my advice is if playing with people who you feel are inferior to your level of play is that much of a problem, maybe you should stop playing public games and only add buddies who you are comfortable playing with.
everyday a new person buys this game. everyday a player who has done campaigns will try out versus for the first time. you are bound to end up with an inexperienced player. if you can't handle that then you shouldn't be playing a game with other people.
rcav31 Mar 25 @ 6:57am 
i have only been playing with my friends. i am terrible at this game. high friendly fire, low accuracy. so i decided i need the practice. i've been playing public matches and thankfully, i have gotten slightly better. the community (for the most part) has been very helpful and nice to me. even the guys that i played with on expert difficulty (i thought i had picked easy) were nice. and i kept getting knocked down and/or dying every five seconds....
[†]Munkee_King[†] Mar 25 @ 11:26am 
Originally posted by Exo ®:
Originally posted by Munkee K!ng:
Then, you hit esc, and rage quit.

Do you expect every single player, no matter how new is gonna know the entire game perfectly?
I've had people tell me they just started, and didn't know things like crowning a witch or melee zombies off.
I dont get upset, I just explain what to do, and we continue a fun game.. unless I died, then i'll just spectate them and tell them what would make surviving alittle easier.

And if anyone joins and starts yelling at them for it, while im helping them, I know its mean, but I kick the guy bein a ♥♥♥♥, because no matter how bad someone is, they don't need someone bein a little ♥♥♥ to them whole game like it's gonna help the other guys skill

Dude I don't know how you can be so patient. It's admirable. I just can't be like this. I guess I would be one of those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s getting angry in game but come on....
What ♥♥♥♥es me off is when people don't know the very basic stuff like :

1 - shoving to save a mate from a smoker/hunter/jockey (it is THE VERY FIRST THING you see during your first game : the bots free you by simply shoving, so how can someone with more than 10 hours not know that??? I can't understand that)

2 - not helping a mate when he is pinned by a SI : don't they have sound?? Or eyes?? Don't they hear the freaking loud sound of a smoker grab? The alert sound? The message written on the freaking screen?? It is just common sense to me.

It is not a matter of skill. It is a matter of having a brain, end of story.
I don't judge noobs because they don't know this or that detail, I don't get mad at noobs in VS who fail with a charger or a boomer or whatever (it will come with experience) I get mad at people lacking basic common sense.

After ONE game of versus, you understand that you need to go fast between the SI spawns. You know it take 20-25 second for the SI to repop, so it makes sense to take advantage of this time to go as fast as possible (always together) before their next attack. But no, people just walk back, search little rooms everywhere even though they are full life full ammo, and a healthpack + pills. WTF?

For example, last night, Swamp Fever 1st map. My teamates search every single house on the way to the ferry thingy! Every single one, so of course we get attacked by 4 or 5 waves of SI before we even reach the ferry event. Then they defend BY the water, so any charger or jockey can insta kill them. I nicely try to tell them to move faster or to defend in a house, not by the water. No answers. Anyway, we all die after the ferry cuz tank... This guy insults me "Exo you really ♥♥♥♥ed us up". I can't be nice to a guy like that sorry. I can't be polite i'm sorry.
Especially when I did all the work before and never once said anything rude or mean.

I am sorry, but a LOT of people are plain stupid, litteraly, and I don't have the patience to deal with it. I wish I did though, I would be way less mad playing VS and I'd have a better time.

Well, yeah, when people are ♥♥♥♥♥, then I'm not nice. But if they play campaign first and join my game. (lets face it, Valve messed up making Campaign the first thing you see instead of Single Player.)

Or first time playing versus, and really try, then I dont mind if they do bad.
As long as they are trying to help out, I wont get mad. Now if they are new and deciding they wanna do what they wanna do, then they need to stick with single player for a bit.
BlackMilk Mar 26 @ 4:14pm 
It's not an issue that new players jump into online games immediately. Most people (that I know, myself included) are bored to hell in a co-op game with just bots.
Low difficulties are there for fun and to learn.

But a lot of people who don't know what they're doing join high difficulty games too soon.
The example the OP mentioned is one you see over and over again. And honestly, if you're playing Expert, you should know that you can free survivors by shoving hunters, jockeys and smokers. I'm not the best player, nor do I know everything (definitely don't know all the semi-glitch little tactics) but I get by on Expert games and I can be an asset.
You know when you're being a burden instead of a teammate. I don't mind if that's the case, but you should indicate you're really trying to improve your performance, and that you have some team spirit!

The worst thing is a player who is not only bad at the game, but also seems incapable or unwilling to make an effort. Seen lots of new players accomplish remarkable things just by trying, and sometimes being a little lucky.
lil_meow Mar 26 @ 4:42pm 
Originally posted by DSI/3DSgameboy:
Give them time. They will learn. They will learn.

Please refer to the tons of people w/ over 1k hours who cant do the simplest of tasks....
Restless Mar 26 @ 5:31pm 
Originally posted by m30w:
Originally posted by DSI/3DSgameboy:
Give them time. They will learn. They will learn.

Please refer to the tons of people w/ over 1k hours who cant do the simplest of tasks....

This. There needs to be a willingness to learn and an openmindedness about the game. I have met players with thousands of hours who refuse to admit a mistake. Was grabbed by a smoker, and a teammate right next to me chose to shoot the smoker instead of shoving me and freeing me instantly. He missed a few shots, so I took 2 ticks of grab damage in an Expert game, which amounted to 40 health. When I told him to just m2 me next time, he became irate, started spouting on about how many hours he had, how many gold medals in Survival matches he had, and adamantly refused to admit that he could have made a mistake. He said "I choose to shoot, not shove, that is how I play. Deal with it." This kind of stubbornness is unfortunately prevalent among many L4D2 players who simply refuse to learn and improve themselves, even after hundreds or thousands of hours.

There are so many resources available to new players to improve themselves and catch-up on the 5+ years of knowledge that players have amassed, whether its Steam guides, forum posts, custom maps, YouTube videos, or Twitch streams, but the problematic players simply refuse to learn because they are unwilling to improve themselves and become better teammates.

Originally posted by bunnyrut:
there is a difference between a newb player and a n00b player.

newbs are new and need help. they are still learning the game. it's your fault if you get caught by a smoker and don't use a mic to ask for help. even with more experienced players they don't notice because they are busy fighting off a hoard. use the mic.
"smokers got me" *they run over and start shooting* "it will let go if you shove me" *shoves you*
i didn't know you had to do that when i first started playing either. if your response is to get mad and call them stupid then there is no way a new person will learn what to do to help out more in the game.
understand?

a n00b player has a lot of experience playing, but none of it has sunk in. they are usually the ones who have played for 40 hours and still manage to shoot everyone. they could be a younger kid, someone playing on a friends account to try out the game, or just someone who doesn't grasp fps and team playing.
there are also the trolls who are bored and come in to make you rage quit.

my advice is if playing with people who you feel are inferior to your level of play is that much of a problem, maybe you should stop playing public games and only add buddies who you are comfortable playing with.
everyday a new person buys this game. everyday a player who has done campaigns will try out versus for the first time. you are bound to end up with an inexperienced player. if you can't handle that then you shouldn't be playing a game with other people.

Agreed with you on the first part, about newbie vs noob, or to me, gamer vs someone who plays games. Just like there is a distinction between a geologist and someone who collects rocks, there is a difference between a gamer and someone who plays games.

Gamers can be newbies. Obviously after just starting to play a game, we're all newbs, but if you're a gamer, you recognize that any system can be min-maxed, and there is a learning curve and a skill cap for anything you do, whether its DotA, LoL, World of Warcraft, Starcraft, Street Fighter, Tetris, Bejeweled, or Candy Crush Saga. They have fun by playing a game well, understanding the mechanics that operate and define gameplay, and they enjoy pulling off masterful moves that exemplify their knowledge of the game. They enjoy the learning process and are willing to practice to achieve their goals.

A noob is someone who just plays video games, and they go from game to game, never developing a mastery, and they grasp just enough of a game to be able to finish the game once through while having some fun. They stay away from games with rankings because they know they can never compare to top level players. In Starcraft, they're Bronze or Silver, and in DotA/LoL they're in low priority queues. In Street Fighter they button mash and complain when you throw because its 'cheap'. They scoff at players who conduct outside research on games or practice skills because they tell themselves "I play games for fun," and they tell the people who beat them to "Get a life," or "Don't take the game so seriously." They want all the rewards and recognition with none of the work.

However, I am an optimist and a progressive, so I don't think the skilled players should be compelled to play in private games. For the most part, public games are decided by the players, which is why so many noobs complain about getting votekicked. We should be working to improve the status quo, or else we'll forever be stuck. Unfortunately, I know that not everyone agrees with this belief, and experienced players usually do go your route and play exclusively with friends, which just forms cliques and small groups, which does not benefit the community in the short term or the long term. When one player quits, the others in the group slowly lose interest and quit the game as well instead of choosing to recruit new players in the public cesspool.

But I guess that's why I've published guides to help new players and elaborate forum posts containing information that go ignored...I want to improve the public standard, but sadly the public pool generally does not want to improve.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/550/discussions/0/558751179401182547/
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Senor Rabbs Mar 26 @ 7:10pm 
Been playing more pub games recently, they're a hit and miss most of the time. I prefer to jump in random games because nothing is more frustrating starting a compain just to have the rest of the team voting to lower the difficulty from normal or restarting the campain. That being said, it's very rare to hear a "plan" before leaving the safe zone. Even so , the problem occurs when some members wanna go rambo or not keeping up with the team. The problem is the expectations of the other players, what a complete turn off from this game is hearing a 13 year old playing with an open mic or not screaming every time their in trouble.

This is very similar to dota, not much communcation, vote kicking without saying or stating a reason. I would say the most vocal and keyboard warriors shouldn't be playing online games.
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