-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 22 @ 12:42pm
Still censored?!
Should I keep playing this game - in hope that one day Valve actually uncensors this game for all Australians now that we've got the R18 + rating (like one Valve employee said they were going to do around January 2013 and said cost in resubmitting was not an issue for them)... or just completely uninstall it?

Many of my mates have held off from purchasing this game and even installing it when it was free (XMas time). I know it sounds crazy when there's a lot of ways around the censorship but I'd prefer to legally be able to uncensor the game it being a hassle-free method. That seems to leave me with Steam either giving a free update for this game to uncensor it or a paid $0.99 DLC to enable gore for all old Australian copies (I'd be willing to pay for it).

As for me: I've had this game for ~ 2 years and I can see why the Aust. community is dying. I'd like some communication from Valve about this, if it's not too much to ask.

Thanks.
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Visi Feb 22 @ 12:52pm 
I really doubt that Valve is going to bother with it at this point.
-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 22 @ 12:54pm 
Sadly that seems to be the case.

Just disappointing, knowing how good Valve's been to gamers in the past - at least on my end :)
[TaTeTi]Darth Vader Feb 22 @ 12:55pm 
Valve has nothing to do with the censorship, it's your goverment that ask for that.
Valve ask two times to release Left4Dead uncensored, and the two times your goverment denied that.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/22/unedited-left-4-dead-2-refused-aussie-classification-for-second/
-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 22 @ 12:56pm 
Originally posted by TaTeTiDarth Vader:
Valve has nothing to do with the censorship, it's your goverment that ask for that.
Valve ask two times to release Left4Dead uncensored, and the two times your goverment denied that.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/22/unedited-left-4-dead-2-refused-aussie-classification-for-second/

They can resubmit it. Like they did with Mortal Kombat (as a "Komplete Edition") that was RC'd and consequently blocked twice.

Valve even said they were going to do it but no news since. We got an R18+ and many previously RC'd games from two years ago, plus, are being resubmitted.
Restless Feb 22 @ 1:09pm 
At this point, the game is 5+ years old. Every time you submit for reclassification, it costs Valve money. They're giving away the game for FREE. They have already tried multiple times in the past. They have no reason to waste time or money on that venture considering as you've said, there are means to reintroduce the gore on your own.

Get angry at your own government for being that strict, not with Valve. They've tried, and they've supported the tools for you to reintroduce the gore on your own.
-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 22 @ 11:07pm 
Originally posted by Restless:
At this point, the game is 5+ years old. Every time you submit for reclassification, it costs Valve money. They're giving away the game for FREE. They have already tried multiple times in the past. They have no reason to waste time or money on that venture considering as you've said, there are means to reintroduce the gore on your own.

Get angry at your own government for being that strict, not with Valve. They've tried, and they've supported the tools for you to reintroduce the gore on your own.

Valve hasn't supported those tools... not that I know of anyway and why should they? They haven't actively prevented us from using them but have in no way supported them. They still have pros and cons but hey - opinons :)

I can't get angry at the government when an R18 + rating has been introduced for video games about a year ago and countless games have already been resubmitted quite easily. I wouldn't call them *that* strict, a lot of the games that are banned here are usually appealed a few times and most of the games that remain banned/RC'd are banned worldwide (even from America). L4D2 was just one of those rare cases where it was too voilent - even though games like Dead Island (where you can stomp on people's heads and crack them like a coconut) made it through just fine. Probably a more inconsistent rating board than strict, for that matter. We got the German version effectively (but we do have Riot cops in ours, unlike German players).

As for money --> Valve even said money isn't an issue and I'll quote one Valve employee who said in January 2013 "we want to do this".

I just want communication on this issue as nothing's been reported since and a lot of threads have appeared on this hub for that very reason - and if nothing's planned... me and my mates will move onto other games.
Visi Feb 23 @ 12:22am 
Originally posted by AAA Lucky:

I wouldn't call them *that* strict, a lot of the games that are banned here are usually appealed a few times and most of the games that remain banned/RC'd are banned worldwide (even from America). L4D2 was just one of those rare cases where it was too voilent - even though games like Dead Island (where you can stomp on people's heads and crack them like a coconut) made it through just fine. Probably a more inconsistent rating board than strict, for that matter. We got the German version effectively (but we do have Riot cops in ours, unlike German players)..

No game is banned in the United States.
-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 23 @ 12:55am 
Originally posted by Visi:
Originally posted by AAA Lucky:

I wouldn't call them *that* strict, a lot of the games that are banned here are usually appealed a few times and most of the games that remain banned/RC'd are banned worldwide (even from America). L4D2 was just one of those rare cases where it was too voilent - even though games like Dead Island (where you can stomp on people's heads and crack them like a coconut) made it through just fine. Probably a more inconsistent rating board than strict, for that matter. We got the German version effectively (but we do have Riot cops in ours, unlike German players)..

No game is banned in the United States.

There's quite a few controversial games that the USA didn't even rate.

And:


In 2005, due to the revelation that one model was 17 at the time of production, The Guy Game was "banned" due to existing pornography laws.

Also, an arcade game, Sonic Blast Man, was recalled and banned (due to federal law prohibiting resale of recalled items) from American arcades due to safety issues surrounding the game's punching bag controller
Art Feb 23 @ 1:34am 
if you knew how to google, you could easily find a way to bypass the censorship.
Visi Feb 23 @ 1:36am 
Controversy and unrated games are irrelevant; they aren't banned.

Yes, because it featured a girl under 18 naked, which is child pornography, and the other game was recalled. You made a claim that "most of the games that remain banned/RC'd are banned worldwide (even in America)." and that is a false claim.
Good thing im not living australia or japan where used to be censorship almost everything what is rated 18.
-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 23 @ 3:39pm 
Originally posted by FIN Dead space is not dead (4):
Good thing im not living australia or japan where used to be censorship almost everything what is rated 18.

Australia's now got an R18+ and we're not as bad as everyone makes us out to be. L4D2 is one of those rare games that got censored like Germany's extreme version of the game, but we've had more voilent games like Dead Island pass just fine.
-3xA'Lu©κy Feb 23 @ 3:46pm 
Originally posted by Visi:
Controversy and unrated games are irrelevant; they aren't banned.

Yes, because it featured a girl under 18 naked, which is child pornography, and the other game was recalled. You made a claim that "most of the games that remain banned/RC'd are banned worldwide (even in America)." and that is a false claim.

I don't know too much about the games that were banned in America but there are lot of games that have been refused to have been rated worldwide. Most of these happen to be Japanese games.

Saying these games were banned, however, was poor wording on my part caused due to me rush-typing that post and I agree partly with what you said on that matter.

Anyway, if you look at the wiki list, (yes, I use wiki :D) the no. of games banned in Australia is nearly nothing and censorship is even less. Some of those games that remain on that list have even been appealed or reappealed like Aliens Vs Predator (2010) - that was initially RC'd but a few months forward got an MA 15 + and was unedited.

The worst recent case was Saints Row 4 having a alien-drug mission taken out and an alien anal-probe weapon removed entirely but the rest of the game is intact and untouched for Australians. In regards to drugs and graffiti Australia is a tad tough on games but I do agree on the removal of the alien anal-probe. It's just unjustified sexual voilence without context and really too much: even for a Saints Row game.

L4D2 should've really passed through just fine and it's one of those instances that really annoy me greatly and cause others to think our government is super-strict, when it's comparitively not. What's even sadder is Valve gave us the German version which is heavily-censored.

That's all I can really say and think of, right now.
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