BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:05pm
How to embrace open nature of the PC?
I'm not a real PC gamer yet, playing on a college laptop. Although L4D2 seems to run well. But because I don't have aon Vsync or anything like that I feel like everything, even my hardware, is sorta substandard (I use al ogitech g300; i'm gonna buy a new mouse tomorrow just because.)

I'm just wondering why I feel the way I do and how to embrace the open nature of the PC. I just changed my mouse setting in windows to 4, turned off acceleration, increased my dpi to my max of 2500 (on a whim, figured why not take advantage)

Quick question: DPI is basically resolution right? So let's say you have it at 12000 you'll be blazingly quick, but cant you just offset that by turning sensitivity practically all the way down? And that way it'll be controllable but smoother/track better?

I have this "feeling" that I tampered with settings.. it's like when I change things around I feel weird that I did it and eventually end up going back to defaults like "ok, i need to get good w default". I sthis b/c I come off of console where verything isa ll rigid and explained to you?

How do you embrace the open ended nature of Steam and mods and all of that stuff? Going into folders... deleting stuff... etc
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fade' Jul 20 @ 8:21pm 
I don't know what you mean by "open nature of the PC" (I'm assuming that you are referring to the increased amount of freedom to change your game settings as opposed to consoles), so I'll just explain a bit about DPI, or at least what I've learned.

DPI stands for dots per inch (it also influences your sensitivity, higher DPI = faster sens). It is all about personal preference, because your in-game settings determine your actually sensitivity. However, I was once told that there is a "sweet spot" (where the majority of high-level FPS players fall into) which is between 800-1600 DPI.

The problem with having an extremely high or low sensitivity is that it will hurt your consistency and overall shot making ability.

Also, you should change your windows mouse setting to 6, since it will ensure that you get a perfect 1:1 ratio as far as DPI goes.

Turning off raw input (m_rawinput 1), turning off the in game mouse filter (m_filter 0) and disabling windows mouse pointer percision are also good ideas.

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask exactly, so if I left something out please let me know.
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BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:23pm 
Turning off raw input? you mean turning on?

I have a question about mouse acceleration. If it's pretty much a bad thing, why is it even an option in games in the first place?? and mouse filter and all that stuff. It'd be cool if they had a hold-your-hand tooltip that says you should use this setting if... etc. It seems like it's only under certain conditions inside a game that you'd use acceleration. I have it off. I don't know why but everyone says to turn it off. I hate doing things without knowing why.
fade' Jul 20 @ 8:26pm 
Originally posted by BlackHornet:
Turning off raw input? you mean turning on?

I have a question about mouse acceleration. If it's pretty much a bad thing, why is it even an option in games in the first place?? and mouse filter and all that stuff. It'd be cool if they had a hold-your-hand tooltip that says you should use this setting if... etc. It seems like it's only under certain conditions inside a game that you'd use acceleration. I have it off. I don't know why but everyone says to turn it off. I hate doing things without knowing why.
Just like having an extremely high mouse sensitivity, it can hurt your consistency. I personally use it (m_customaccel .001) but many people prefer to have it off to ensure a perfect 1:1 ratio with their mouse.

Also, yes, I meant to say turn on raw input.
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BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:27pm 
Also does frames per second influence mouse smoothing and tracking? Right now I'm playing on an i3-2310m w an intel hd 3000. I have settings in Left 4 Dead 2 so I'm pretty much running at 60fps+. I use a Logitech G300 (Probably picking up a DeathAdder tomorrow).

Like... does the game running at 60fps on a crappy computer vs 60fps on a built, custom computer make a difference with tracking? With mice? Is 1200 DPI on the G300 gonna feel the same as 1200 DPI on a Deathadder? Obviously the ergonomics are different so that could make a difference. But I just mean in terms of tracking.

Maybe I'm overanalyzing. I overanalyze so much and I don't know why. Literally when I'm playing if my crosshair doesn't move smoothly as if I were holding down a joystick, I immediately start thinking "was that an unsteady hand? did my mouse skip some pixels? Is my mouse bad? Am I overthinking it and psyching myself out?"
BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:29pm 
Why does windows mouse speed affect the 1:1ness of moving my cursor around? When I changed it to 4, I felt more in control and my cursor was moving around well.
BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:31pm 
Idk how to say it. I don't know what I want in a mouse. Sometimes it feels overly... light. I want something that has a little bit of heft to it yet is also smooth. My lack of experience leads me to overthink things. Just pressed my mouse against my hand and it's as big as my palm lengthwise w my fingers extending past that. So maybe htat's too small. the form factor on the deathadder looks quite nice.

Plus my grip (according to the grip guide) is a "plaw" grip. It's not exactly a palm, but it's not exactly a claw grip. the deathadder fits both.
BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:33pm 
Last thing! How do low sensitivity gamers who have to swipe their mouse and stuff find that that's what they even like?? You watch gameplay of their hands and that just looks so unnatural. It looks like guesswork; like they look at the screen, do a calculation in their head, and just happen to swipe in a quick, not so precise looking movement on target. I move the mouse steadily around. I guess I should geta new mouse pad; i'm playing on a bed so that's probably my first problem. But my mousepad is generic. Cost $2.
fade' Jul 20 @ 8:45pm 
I play low sens (roughly 9in/360) and can tell you that it takes quite a bit of getting used to just like any other sens. It isn't guesswork, just muscle memory. If you want to use a gaming mouse, you should also get a gaming mouse pad, like a Razer goliathus or steel series qck. When you changed your mouse pointer speed, it also lowered your in game sans, and made you feel "more in control", that's actually why many players prefer to play low sens. I used to overanalyze about this quite a bit too, and can tell you that it takes quite awhile to find the perfect settings (took me about 6-7 months)

Also, I use a death adder with a fingertip/claw grip and would recommend the mouse (I have very large hands though). Your best bet is to go to best buy or some other store that sells gaming mice and find the one that feels the best.

I recommend changing your sens in the console by the way, and using a sens calculator (look up "same aim, different game" on google for a good one) to find out what you're currently using. If you want a good starting point, Fragga (who was once a very high level tf2 player) said that the sweet spot for sensitivity was between 7-12 in/360.
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BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:51pm 
I feel like doing all that is too much and it should just be intuitive. Like you slide the bar around and your'e like "ok, this feels good".

So I wish they had like a DPI guide within the software like "this is how it should feel". Because otherwise even if it does feel good i doubt myself and start overthinking again.

"Well this is good, but is ther esomething better that I Just haven't discovered?"

Or every time I overshoot an enemy by a little i'm like "was that me missing or is my sensitivity not right?"

Sometimes I snap shoot and.... idk how I do it. It just... it's like my cursor just locks on their head when i look at it... just reflexes I Guess. I don't play CS. Idk why I installed it (I've been watching the war owl and it made me think i was good). I wasted money on that game :(. Just not my cup of tea. I'll stick to L4D2 seeing as all the half lives i've finished.


also w valve games, is the default sensitivity the same across the board? and how do they come up w default sensitivities for games? Does it assume that the user is using a standard office mouse (I believe those are like 800-1000dpi).
BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 8:52pm 
This is gonna go for a while. Forget the last question thing.

Will 800 DPI on my Logitech G300 feel the same as 800 DPI on a Razer mouse? Or are sensor technologies different?
fade' Jul 20 @ 9:00pm 
It isn't noticeable.

Also, like I said, I used to overanalyze this quite a bit. I edited my post above, just pick some settings within these "sweet spot" ranges and play with them for a couple months without changing them. After that, if you feel like you want a sensitivity that is slightly higher or lower, then by all means change it. Your settings aren't as important as your muscle memory, which you probably need to develop.

If you really want to improve your aim in a short time, then playing quake live is a good idea (make sure you turn raw input off in this game too).
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BlackHornet Jul 20 @ 9:01pm 
I don't like arena shooters like that. I know all about em but I just.. I don't like it lol. I'm not really playing anything competitive cuz what i can run (CS) i get destroyed at plus i just don't liek the gameplay. lmao but hella hours played. id on't feel like explaining it.
fade' Jul 20 @ 9:04pm 
Personally I don't like CS because of how important recoil control is in it. If you don't want to play quale then that's fine, l4d2 is a decent game to build mouse skills in
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