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Vit Mar 8 @ 8:19pm
Denuvo doesn't affect you unless you're a pirate.
Here's Far Cry Primal[support.ubi.com] and Total War Warhammer's[wiki.totalwar.com] FAQ pages.

Basically, if you are a legit customer it doesn't affect you at all and doesn't prevent modding ( I've swapped Snake with Quiet in MSG V for example ). Just Cause 3 also has a multiplayer game mode modded in. Not just simple .exe or texture swaps/edits. An entire game mode!

Every single game that has released with Denuvo has had these same pirate-shills ( or misinformed people ) spreading the same false info. If you are a legit customer it doesn't affect you at all.

Anyone dooming and glooming what-if scenarios like "if the Denuvo company dies, so will your games omg!!" are wrong, because clearly there's no such thing as patching it out ( Many games already patched out Denuvo - Homefront being the most recent game ).

Again, please don't fall for the BS these pirates and/or misinformed people spread. If you are a legit customer you aren't affected at all.

EDIT: And just to prove Denuvo doesn't limit or prevent modding, here's Dragon Age Inquisition's mod page: http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/searchresults/?
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Kind of a funny point, but Denuvo won't affect you if you're a pirate. Once the game gets cracked you get a DRM free version while the people who paid for it are affected by Denuvo. I know what you're saying though, it's just kind of funny to me.
Grim Mar 8 @ 8:25pm 
It will only affect people when Denuvo servers are switched off in the future, but by then Denuvo would of been removed or someone would release a crack or others would of cracked it for themselves using a Hex editor and OllyDbg (Insert favorite decompiler here).

I don't get all the ♥♥♥♥♥ing about it and spreading false info that has been debunked already.
It stops people from running this game on linux (using wine).
Kite Mar 8 @ 8:35pm 
Originally posted by dam_it_chris:
It stops people from running this game on linux (using wine).
Does Directx 11 even work with wine?

Edit: DX11 is still in early stages of support with wine, even if Nier doesn't contain Denuvo it still wouldn't even run.
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Vit Mar 8 @ 8:35pm 
Originally posted by dam_it_chris:
It stops people from running this game on linux (using wine).
You're running an OS that is, indirectly, a DRM in and of itself by having most games WITHOUT a linut port.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey less than 1% of steam users use Linux. Add to the fact what I said above and I'm not sure why even mention it. You are literally a grain of sand to devs in an ocean of gamers.
Tale Mar 8 @ 8:40pm 
Originally posted by Vit:
Denuvo doesn't affect you unless you're a pirate.
At this rate, it's going to affect the entire SEA Nier Fanbase lol
Patchy Mar 8 @ 8:44pm 
I have no problems with denuvo but I will say that having denuvo affects paying customers in the form of making it really hard/impossible to mod it.

Otherwise, it doesn't really matter. I will say that I think DRM is entirely pointless because if you were going to pirate a game you weren't going to buy it unless it got a super deep 5-10$ discount anyway - and by that point it will be cracked.

100ks wasted because no one making these decisions actually plays games.
Vit Mar 8 @ 8:47pm 
Originally posted by Patchy:
I have no problems with denuvo but I will say that having denuvo affects paying customers in the form of making it really hard/impossible to mod it.

Otherwise, it doesn't really matter. I will say that I think DRM is entirely pointless because if you were going to pirate a game you weren't going to buy it unless it got a super deep 5-10$ discount anyway - and by that point it will be cracked.

100ks wasted because no one making these decisions actually plays games.
This is false. Did you even read the FAQ or my post?

Denuvo doesn't prevent modding or make it hard/impossible. Don't believe those shills and/or misinformed people spreading false info. You're playing right into their hands.

Like I said in my post, I swapped Snake with Quiet in MGS V. Just Cause 3 has an MP mod. Dragon Age Inquisition has its own freaking Nexus page.

I can't stress this enough. Stop believing these people. Information is power. To believe anything you are told is to intentionally render yourself powerless.

This is why Trump becamse the damn president. Sorry to make it political but it's true.
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Signal Mar 8 @ 8:50pm 
Sure but if SEA still gets region locked after release, then Denuvo basically screwed us from ever playing it at least for a while.
Patchy Mar 8 @ 8:51pm 
Originally posted by Vit:
]This is false. Did you even read the FAQ or my post?

Denuvo doesn't prevent modding or make it hard/impossible. Don't believe those shills and/or misinformed people spreading false info. You're playing right into their hands.

Like I said in my post, I swapped Snake with Quiet in MGS V. Just Cause 3 has an MP mod. Dragon Age Inquisition has its own freaking Nexus page.

I can't stress this enough. Stop believing these people. Information is power. To believe anything you are told is to intentionally render yourself powerless.

This is why Trump becamse the damn president. Sorry to make it political but it's true.

It depends on the game. It could just be lack of interest but god eater never got anything that I'm aware of. I'm willing to admit thats the only experience with denuvo games I have though, which is why I thought that.
Vit Mar 8 @ 8:56pm 
Originally posted by Patchy:
Originally posted by Vit:
]This is false. Did you even read the FAQ or my post?

Denuvo doesn't prevent modding or make it hard/impossible. Don't believe those shills and/or misinformed people spreading false info. You're playing right into their hands.

Like I said in my post, I swapped Snake with Quiet in MGS V. Just Cause 3 has an MP mod. Dragon Age Inquisition has its own freaking Nexus page.

I can't stress this enough. Stop believing these people. Information is power. To believe anything you are told is to intentionally render yourself powerless.

This is why Trump becamse the damn president. Sorry to make it political but it's true.

It depends on the game. It could just be lack of interest but god eater never got anything that I'm aware of. I'm willing to admit thats the only experience with denuvo games I have though, which is why I thought that.
Not every game has mods. You have to have people that want to actually mod the game to get mods.

Also, technically cheatengine is modding. You can use cheatengine in Denuvo games ( trust me I do it in nearly every game I play )

But yea.. it's posts like yours that is why so many people overreact and spread false info about Denuvo. It's really quite unfortunate and irritating. People protest something that doesn't affect them at all but they do it because others just like them were led to believe it's bad for them. Going to get political again but it's the same as people that are against Obamacare because it has Obama in it but don't realize that it's just a different name for the affordable care act Those same people are now losing health care if it gets repealed by republicans. Joke's on them now eh?

Knowledge is power.
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Burst Fire (Banned) Mar 8 @ 9:03pm 
Originally posted by Vit:
People protest something that doesn't affect them at all but they do it because others just like them were led to believe it's bad for them

As a consumer I disagree Denuvo offers me no benefit and only under ideal conditions is functionally similar to no DRM. Otherwise it can be used to disable my games, either through intent by removing DRM servers to compel me to purchase new games with minimal functional differences at full cost or accidentally because gaming companies aren't generally very good at reliable service "Ubisoft" On the other hand, non-DRM-equipped software works just fine for me, up to and including downloading it if my files or physical media are damaged or lost So, for me, no DRM is better than any DRM.
Patchy Mar 8 @ 9:09pm 
Originally posted by Vit:
Not every game has mods. You have to have people that want to actually mod the game to get mods.

Also, technically cheatengine is modding. You can use cheatengine in Denuvo games ( trust me I do it in nearly every game I play )

But yea.. it's posts like yours that is why so many people overreact and spread false info about Denuvo. It's really quite unfortunate and irritating. People protest something that doesn't affect them at all but they do it because others just like them were led to believe it's bad for them. Going to get political again but it's the same as people that are against Obamacare because it has Obama in it but don't realize that it's just a different name for the affordable care act Those same people are now losing health care if it gets repealed by republicans. Joke's on them now eh?

I wasn't trying to 'diss' denuvo, just stating something that I thought was fact. I didn't say it wrecks SSDs or makes it so you cant play your games offline or whatever other pirate falsehoods, I was trying to provide information and give my opinion on why, to me, DRM is pointless.

You made me interested so I googled/researched the impact denuvo has on modding - it does not prevent it entirely but it does prevent mods that modify the .exe file. I'll happily admit I was wrong on some front here - but this DOES mean that some mods are impossible on denuvo games.

For example, if, say, fallout and skyrim had denuvo, a lot of mods that use the script extenders would not exist; SKSE, NVSE, FOSE etc. It also prevents fan made patches and other things like that, or fan made expansions made on top of the base game.

So the bottom line is - it does not prevent modding entirely but prevents modification on the .exe which does prevent SOME mods. That's the truth on the matter. Does it matter in NIER's case? Probably not, I doubt there's enough interest to make anything happen like the current bethesda game modding scene and there's not even going to be mod tools or anything like that.

If bethesda put denuvo on their games, people would be rightfully♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥however. I also dont think its even worth it but that's just my opinion and not fact since it's impossible to see how many people who pirate would've bought the game if it was not cracked in X amount of time.
Vit Mar 8 @ 9:12pm 
Originally posted by Burst Fire:
Originally posted by Vit:
People protest something that doesn't affect them at all but they do it because others just like them were led to believe it's bad for them

As a consumer I disagree Denuvo offers me no benefit and only under ideal conditions is functionally similar to no DRM. Otherwise it can be used to disable my games, either through intent by removing DRM servers to compel me to purchase new games with minimal functional differences at full cost or accidentally because gaming companies aren't generally very good at reliable service "Ubisoft" On the other hand, non-DRM-equipped software works just fine for me, up to and including downloading it if my files or physical media are damaged or lost So, for me, no DRM is better than any DRM.
Just sounds to me like you're a tin-foil hat type of person. Unfortunately people such as yourself will never be pleased. You'll just find some crazy conspiracy to justify whatever it is that you tin-foil hat people do.

STEAM could shut down any day just the same yet here you are. But then you'd come back and say "Steam would never shut down". Right. So what makes you think Denuvo would? And even if it did, what makes you think devs couldn't patch out Denuvo when many games have already had Denuvo patched out?

My goodness, what if you forget your steam password and/or lose your phone so you can't use 2FA to get into your account? You'd have to deal with steam support which means your account and all its games are as good as gone!

Might as well get off steam and just download all your games through torrents. But wait, what if the MP games I play are shut down? Oh the humanity! I'm going to go live as a hermit. Screw this.
Vit Mar 8 @ 9:17pm 
Originally posted by Patchy:
Originally posted by Vit:
Not every game has mods. You have to have people that want to actually mod the game to get mods.

Also, technically cheatengine is modding. You can use cheatengine in Denuvo games ( trust me I do it in nearly every game I play )

But yea.. it's posts like yours that is why so many people overreact and spread false info about Denuvo. It's really quite unfortunate and irritating. People protest something that doesn't affect them at all but they do it because others just like them were led to believe it's bad for them. Going to get political again but it's the same as people that are against Obamacare because it has Obama in it but don't realize that it's just a different name for the affordable care act Those same people are now losing health care if it gets repealed by republicans. Joke's on them now eh?

I wasn't trying to 'diss' denuvo, just stating something that I thought was fact. I didn't say it wrecks SSDs or makes it so you cant play your games offline or whatever other pirate falsehoods, I was trying to provide information and give my opinion on why, to me, DRM is pointless.

You made me interested so I googled/researched the impact denuvo has on modding - it does not prevent it entirely but it does prevent mods that modify the .exe file. I'll happily admit I was wrong on some front here - but this DOES mean that some mods are impossible on denuvo games.

For example, if, say, fallout and skyrim had denuvo, a lot of mods that use the script extenders would not exist; SKSE, NVSE, FOSE etc. It also prevents fan made patches and other things like that, or fan made expansions made on top of the base game.

So the bottom line is - it does not prevent modding entirely but prevents modification on the .exe which does prevent SOME mods. That's the truth on the matter. Does it matter in NIER's case? Probably not, I doubt there's enough interest to make anything happen like the current bethesda game modding scene and there's not even going to be mod tools or anything like that.

If bethesda put denuvo on their games, people would be rightfully♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥however. I also dont think its even worth it but that's just my opinion and not fact since it's impossible to see how many people who pirate would've bought the game if it was not cracked in X amount of time.
It doesn't prevent modding .exes. I have no idea where you are reading this. It is false. If it prevented it you would not be able to use cheatengine since it essentially injects itself into the game's .exe and reads memory which I just told you I've used in every game I play.

Just Cause 3 has an entire multiplayer mod. To come and say it prevents script extenders when modders were able to add an entire MP game mode ( something that Skyrim or Fallout games don't have - all of which HAD MOD TOOLS WHICH JUST CAUSE 3 DIDN'T! ) and goes BEYOND just simply modifying the .exe is silly.

Again, no idea where you are getting this info but it's likely from the same people spreading false info.
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