The Hermit Feb 25 @ 11:33am
Ways to get through UVHM without The Bee + Combo Weapons [Mechromancer]
I'm a shock gaige, and the Fibber and Infinity Pistol are both shock weapons so they both fit perfectly. The Bee makes my Infinity Pistol do about 100K per shot, and the Fibber do about 1000K (1 million) damage average. The thing is, the only time I can kill things is when I have full shields. I have Fancy Mathematics so if I'm down to low health it recharges fast enough, but if I get grazed even once, that's 5 full seconds I have to way until it recharges again. Before getting The Bee, it took me forever took me quite a while to get a kill, but now with the Fibber, I kill things like they're literally nothing with The Bee, and I feel as if I'm using it as a crutch, which I most likely am. The reason I don't use Anarchy is that the Smaller, Lighter, Faster skill gives my Infinity Pistol 0 ammo, making it useless. I have the Legendary Mechromancer class mod, too, so I get +5 for it. Also, another problem is that, I do enough damage as is, and while more damage would be fine, I rely on having to have the bullets richochet off the ground for full damage, and Anarchy's lack of accuracy wouldn't do me very well.

So, I haven't put a single point into the Ordered Chaos tree, and I'm running out of good skills to invest in in the LBT and BFF tree. What other combos could I try to liven things up a little?
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Selek Feb 25 @ 12:09pm 
with the pistols you have use the sheriffs badge
carefulsteps Feb 25 @ 12:30pm 
Personally, I use turtle shields and shotguns so that I may deal extreme damage up close and result safe enough to resume continuing on to the next enemy and so on. I spec heavily into Ordered Chaos tree for specifically Anarchy and Blood Soaked Shields which both support my playstyle. Generally, I don't spec heavily into the BFF tree or any skills for Deathtrap as I rarely ever use Deathtrap in UVHM.
zverozvero Feb 25 @ 1:10pm 
Bee-fibber is prety much an exploit, cause of 'unexpected' full AMP on extra pellets.
There's plenty of nice "gigadamage" weapons. (And some of them work nicely with A stacks and close enough.) For example - seraphs Actualiser from Scarlet DLC and Florentine from Tinas, 'll work nicely without Bee and can be purchased -> rerolling vendor you'll get wanted stats/elements. And yep - shotguns. Preferably with matching element, cause Electricity won't overcome 2x multypliers of FvF and CvA.

Shooting ground feels extremely sad... but scaling of health and elemental dots in UVH gets absolutely atrocious (at leas after 61) so raw damage boost of A kinda turns to the 'must'.
Gom Feb 25 @ 2:56pm 
I found that infinibee combo to be very gimicky and inappropriate for standard solo-play, as even a slight scratch from a single bullet will set you off 5+ sec as you mentioned. Also the shield capacity is so small compared to other shields. Turtle, adaptive, or vladof shield imo is better for solo.

I'd invest in Ordered Chaos till at least discord and keep your anarchy stack at around 50~70 or whichever you find comfortable. Even at 50 stack it will give you almost 90% increased gun damage at the bearable cost of some accuracy. Plus you can always use discord when that long range sniping/health regen is needed.

Oh, also the variant of Fibber that bounces off the ground with 400 anarchy atack and Close Enough is extremely strong even without Bee, to the point I just got rid of it cause it made the game boring.
rresuggan Feb 25 @ 4:46pm 
you must have blood soaked shields from oc tree as a kill instantly restores shield which makes bee/fibber combo op against mobs
dARE Feb 25 @ 7:12pm 
If you have Captain Scarlett DLC, I recommend you get a Little Evie and ditch the Infinity. That will solve a lot of trouble and cause major damage to the bad guys.
Atticus Finch Feb 25 @ 7:35pm 
You need to go into ordered chaos, regardless of the shield problem. And in there are the most useful skills and a skill for your problem. Im not saying shock tree is bad or not to use it, im just saying the ordered chaos is in most cases the backbone to any build, or atleast get the most important skills anarchy and smaller lighter faster (well duh) blood soaked shields, and the skill that allowa you to get 30% chance to get 2 anarchy stacks, and the skill that increases stack cap. I am yet to see a non anarchy build that is effective, if you can show me one i will be amazed.

Blood soaked shields: Whenever you get a kill replenishes 100% of your shields but takes away 5% of your health (not too bad of a downside but it builds up over time.)

Pro tips for uvhm: slag, crit damage, cover, not running in like a chicked with its head cut off, and get a grog nossile if you got dlc otherwise get slag rubi. Thats all i got.
The Hermit Feb 26 @ 5:26am 
Originally posted by Atticus Finch:
You need to go into ordered chaos, regardless of the shield problem. And in there are the most useful skills and a skill for your problem. Im not saying shock tree is bad or not to use it, im just saying the ordered chaos is in most cases the backbone to any build, or atleast get the most important skills anarchy and smaller lighter faster (well duh) blood soaked shields, and the skill that allowa you to get 30% chance to get 2 anarchy stacks, and the skill that increases stack cap. I am yet to see a non anarchy build that is effective, if you can show me one i will be amazed.

Blood soaked shields: Whenever you get a kill replenishes 100% of your shields but takes away 5% of your health (not too bad of a downside but it builds up over time.)

Pro tips for uvhm: slag, crit damage, cover, not running in like a chicked with its head cut off, and get a grog nossile if you got dlc otherwise get slag rubi. Thats all i got.

Hm... you and the other guy recommended Blood Soaked Shields over Fancy Mathematics. My problem is that I most likely won't be able to kill many things without full shield, and so most of the time I'll be killing things will be when I'm already at 100%, with the penalty of losing up to 5% health per kill.

I have decided to go into Anarchy though, got up to Discord and am currently investing more into that skill, but if I did manage to spec out of Fancy Mathematics, I'd be able to put 5 into Bloodsoaked shields instead, or perhaps a moderate amount and fit one into Rational Anarchist.

However, I have a question about the LBT tree. Does "Wires Don't Talk" increase the amount of damage done in the initial hit, like if I use the Fibber, would they increase the amount of damage the "Fibber" does by 15%, or is it only the "shock" effect after? I honestly don't see myself speccing out of LBT, but if it doesn't modify the damage, but rather the status-over-time effects, then I'd be more than willing.

Lastly, what's so great about the Grog Nozzle? I have it, but didn't use it yet. Does the Slag last longer than normal?
Waste_of_skin Feb 26 @ 6:10am 
Originally posted by The Hermit:
Lastly, what's so great about the Grog Nozzle? I have it, but didn't use it yet. Does the Slag last longer than normal?

The basic thing about it is that it's a Moxxi gun, so some of the damage you do (from any source) while holding it is returned to you as health, but while most Moxxi guns just return a few % of that damage as health, the GN returns 65%.

Another thing is the "drunk" effect that kicks in occasionally, which also causes the GN to fire multiple shots at once, and that effect can apparently transfer to other guns.
WaxxFetish Feb 26 @ 6:23am 
Originally posted by The Hermit:
Originally posted by Atticus Finch:
You need to go into ordered chaos, regardless of the shield problem. And in there are the most useful skills and a skill for your problem. Im not saying shock tree is bad or not to use it, im just saying the ordered chaos is in most cases the backbone to any build, or atleast get the most important skills anarchy and smaller lighter faster (well duh) blood soaked shields, and the skill that allowa you to get 30% chance to get 2 anarchy stacks, and the skill that increases stack cap. I am yet to see a non anarchy build that is effective, if you can show me one i will be amazed.

Blood soaked shields: Whenever you get a kill replenishes 100% of your shields but takes away 5% of your health (not too bad of a downside but it builds up over time.)

Pro tips for uvhm: slag, crit damage, cover, not running in like a chicked with its head cut off, and get a grog nossile if you got dlc otherwise get slag rubi. Thats all i got.

Hm... you and the other guy recommended Blood Soaked Shields over Fancy Mathematics. My problem is that I most likely won't be able to kill many things without full shield, and so most of the time I'll be killing things will be when I'm already at 100%, with the penalty of losing up to 5% health per kill.

I have decided to go into Anarchy though, got up to Discord and am currently investing more into that skill, but if I did manage to spec out of Fancy Mathematics, I'd be able to put 5 into Bloodsoaked shields instead, or perhaps a moderate amount and fit one into Rational Anarchist.

However, I have a question about the LBT tree. Does "Wires Don't Talk" increase the amount of damage done in the initial hit, like if I use the Fibber, would they increase the amount of damage the "Fibber" does by 15%, or is it only the "shock" effect after? I honestly don't see myself speccing out of LBT, but if it doesn't modify the damage, but rather the status-over-time effects, then I'd be more than willing.

Lastly, what's so great about the Grog Nozzle? I have it, but didn't use it yet. Does the Slag last longer than normal?

Can you link your entire skill tree, for example using bl2skills.com ?

WDT enhances shock damage only , if your Fibber ain't shock it won't give you anything.

Also what level is your gear at ? Bee/Fibber etc.
Waste_of_skin Feb 26 @ 6:55am 
Originally posted by WaxxFetish:
WDT enhances shock damage only , if your Fibber ain't shock it won't give you anything.

I think what they were asking was, if they use a shock weapon (a Fibber, or anything else), will WDT increase the initial shock damage, or just the DOT? I assume it's both.
WaxxFetish Feb 26 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by Waste_of_skin:
Originally posted by WaxxFetish:
WDT enhances shock damage only , if your Fibber ain't shock it won't give you anything.

I think what they were asking was, if they use a shock weapon (a Fibber, or anything else), will WDT increase the initial shock damage, or just the DOT? I assume it's both.

Both, there's a bug tho and it does not buff the damage dealt through Evil Enchantress.
The Hermit Feb 26 @ 1:19pm 
http://www.bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555050000000505005100500414100110000

The above is pretty much my build, although I have Legendary Mechromancer so The Better half is 10/5, More Pep is 10/5, and Smaller, Lighter, Faster is 9/4. Cooking Up Trouble is also 10/5 as well.

My Fibber is level 5-, I think 54 - 56. The Bee is level 54. My Shock Sandhawk is around level 55 I think. All of these, except the Bee which I found luckily in Dragon's Keep, was given to me from a friend though, so I'd like to note that I didn't farm for the legendaries. I also have Harold, but it doesn't do as much damage as the Fibber and Sandhawk can.

Also, the Grog Nozzle definitely sounds like a weapon I'd use if I took Bloodsoaked shields, as all I had to do was spam with it a bit and get majority of my health back, then I won't need Fancy Mathematics.

I normally don't follow the builds of others becuase I want to have my own specific playstyle, not copy off of someone else, but suggestions are welcome.
WaxxFetish Feb 26 @ 2:07pm 
http://www.bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555050101000050000000000413150151050 try this, 5 level gap between you and your gear is when you should upgrade your stuff. Expotential scaling makes it impossible to keep the underlevelled gear and maintain fluid progress.

If you stack up to 200 you shouldn't need the Bee that much. You can grab yourself a short delay Antagonist from the seraph vendor in Flamerock, but the Blockade that's dropped by dragons is a lot better choice for mech.
The Hermit Feb 26 @ 3:14pm 
Well, I did respec mostly out of LBT (kept More Pep at 10/10) and even switched to a higher capacity shield, and I must say, I suppose that becomeing overly reliant on the Bee prevented me from seeing that even without the BEe, the Fibber is very deadly. I love it now, having to swap between Grog Nozzle and Fibber. If only I could find an SMG of some sort that could replace it.

Originally posted by WaxxFetish:
If you stack up to 200 you shouldn't need the Bee that much. You can grab yourself a short delay Antagonist from the seraph vendor in Flamerock, but the Blockade that's dropped by dragons is a lot better choice for mech.


To be honest, I have no idea what weapons those are or what it is you're talking about... I'm kind of a newb-ish.
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