OverlordCrono May 4, 2013 @ 9:51pm
The fatal flaw of NS2: The Community
I want to first say that this is a fairly enjoyable game that I really would like to sink time into learning and playing. Unfortunately, "would" is the key word here, because my experiences in the amount of time I've played have been very offputting. The reason? The playerbase itself, and let me explain.

I bought NS2 around a week ago. I sat for a few hours, half my total playtime, in explore mode, learning the mechanics and maps of the game, which I usually do in most games I play. The other half of playtime, aroud 2 more hours, have been frustating and very hard to enjoy. It's when nearly every match I've joined ends up being a thorough pubstomp on your end, and your teammates just sit and blame the others for the loss everytime. It's when they deliberately insult you for being inexperienced, even when I am shown as a Rookie in a supposedly Rookie-friendly server, when in actuality the only Rookie in these servers is myself. It's when people votekick you out of the Comm position within the first couple of minutes for being a little slow, even though you already said to your team you're a newbie and want to learn. Even worse on that last point, after "Kick this noob out" on a "Rookie-friendly" server, no one actually takes your place, and you sit with no Comm all game long and get spawn-killed and crushed.

Now imagine this on a constant basis, in a game with a very small community and even smaller amounts of servers that both are populated and good on ping, and occasionly throw in a blatant cheater or two with identifiable wallhacks and scripts and whatnot, and you have my experience with Natural Selection 2 in a nutshell. It's really, really disappointing to see this, because there is nothing wrong with the game itself, only the elitists, hackers and generally awful people that inhabit the community. I'm sure not every person is like this, but after of week of this nonsense, they are obviously the vast minority.

And so NS2 just sits in my library, waiting for me to try it again, but it's difficult to convince myself to. I will likely just suffer through the same things over again, get bored and discouraged, and simply quit shortly after. I had to say something about this, because it really is a shame, and I hope someday the community will improve and I can actually enjoy the game, but for now, I have no choice but to shelf it.
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Leb - #ElectronicIntifada May 4, 2013 @ 10:39pm 
that's sad to hear... my experience with it when i started was quite contrary... would often find a lot of nice people willing to help and even hold your hand through the commander role.


I usually find in any game, there's 1 or 2 people on any given team who just wanna ♥♥♥♥♥.. i give them the mute treatment and enjoy my playtime
#sixtyeight May 4, 2013 @ 11:17pm 
You shouldn't even be trying to command a team with just two hours experience regardless if you trained offline. I don't blame people for ejecting you in this scenario and probably would have done the same if I was there. I recommended you get at least 25-30+ hours before you even consider trying to com a real live game.
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Calego, Elf-Friend May 4, 2013 @ 11:18pm 
I've noticed a phenomenon amongst the NS2 playerbase. The farther away we get from a free weekend/50%off deal, the more hostile we seem to become. It's sad really. But there's no easy way around it. The only thing anyone can really say is that you stumbled on a bad server population at that particular time. The only way to fix it is to find a server with people who played a good game and put up with you, then fav that server and keep playing there.

There are a lot of nasty people out there, and a lot of people who just want to play a good game. You can't blame most of them for this, they've been around a while and are impatient. Why they joined a rookie friendly server? Probably because they're always the most populated and have decent pings.

That said. There are a lot of stinkin awesome people in the comunity too. Personally, my best games have been between two green teams with veteran commanders.

The main thing to consider here is that the victory or defeat of a team often lies within the hands of a single person. It's not solely your fault that we lost because you didn't save that extractor. But it adds up when no one saves extractors. One person out of position can mean defeat. It's an unforgiving and duanting game in that sense. That's also why the key is in your commander.

Comm is the toughest role because you're like the coach. You're supposed to have a plan, you're supposed to guide your team through that plan, and you're supposed to do it well. Not many people are good at it. People are pretty hasty to eject a comm who doesn't communicate (read voice) and doesn't know what they're doing, especially after a harsh loss. If you find a good comm, consider friending them on steam (view players from the Shift+Tab menu works) and playing with them more often.

In general I'd say wait till the rookie tags go away to start thinking about comming. It takes about that long for you to get a vauge idea of how things should go. Voice communication gets you really far in this game. It's just the easiest way of communicating. A comm with no voice sure as heck better have a good "field commander."
Metu_el May 4, 2013 @ 11:32pm 
I guess the major problem nowerdays is the kind of players, which tend to populate flagged rookie servers. There are basically four types, afaik:

1) And foremost, the learnwilling rookie like the OP, who really want to give this game some attention and know the basics of teamplay but sadly are easily offended by the players of 2) to 4).

2) Rookies, which are used to those mainstream FPS "team" games out there, which names I won't even quote here, cause we all know which those are. They will soon find out, that their hard learned gun-ho "tactics" don't work out in NS2 and cause they all think, they are oh so pro, tend to blame the rest of the team rather then looking for flaws on their side. NS2 got a step learning curve. Get used to it or move on.

3) Cheaters... what is more satisfiyng than using your hacks on high skilled players, who can actually outgun you, even though you got your "magic tricks"? Right, stomping the greenies, who don't even know the game yet and sometimes find it kind of hard, to distignuish a skilled player from an obvious cheater. Furthermore most rookie servers ain't got active admins or hardly any tools to check for hacks. This way cheaters will minimize the chances of getting detected.

4) The worst of them all. High skilled players, who love to pubstomp the hell out of the rookies. My guess, they mostly are an evolved kind of 2), which finally familiarized with the game but still got their *cough* cod-ish *cough* attitude of megalomenia.

Your experience might differ, but that's how I see things on most rookie servers.

As for the OP, I only got one tip. Stay away from rookie servers, even though you are a greenie yourself. There are some rare servers out there with a regular playerbase of people, who started of as player type number 1), too, and still know about the hard times, they got in the beginning. They are mostly forgiving and helpful to rookies. Even more, if the rookie isn't to shy to ask some questions, if they arise. Hell, you can even be lucky to get invited into the command chair and get guided through the game by the long time players in your team.

It's a struggle to find those servers, I know. But it's really worthwhile to look for them, favorite them and continue playing. This game can be so awesome to play with the right kind of players.

Don't give up hope! We are looking for people like you to keep the good part of community populated! :)
Calego, Elf-Friend May 4, 2013 @ 11:48pm 
Hey now, don't forget 5. The decent players who actually want to help the rookies. They may be rare, but they do exist.
Metu_el May 4, 2013 @ 11:52pm 
Originally posted by Calego, Elf-Friend:
Hey now, don't forget 5. The decent players who actually want to help the rookies. They may be rare, but they do exist.

Ah, yes! Sorry, tend to forget about them, cause they are indeed a very rare sight on such servers.
angelous May 5, 2013 @ 12:28am 
Sad to hear about your experience OP :( You can add me on steam and join me on games, I can help you out with a few things (not a pro at all! but do know some of the ropes of the game)
Skulker_S May 5, 2013 @ 2:53am 
i only played for like, 3 hours maybe but i expierenced the the exact opposite :)
at least after spending an hour finding a server with an english speaking commander (i really don`t mind french people, but the habit to ignore everybody who doens`t understand them is annoying)
i had four different commanders and 3 of them were very patient with me, setting waypoints, telling my ecxactly where to go
the other just didn`t really said much what to do, but wasn`t undfriendly either

i would never think about trying to be the commander before i don`t fully understand the game und have seen the common tactics of expierienced commanders... so i can understand that you were kicked...
Kwisatz May 5, 2013 @ 3:00am 
I'm sorry to hear that you perceive the community as so abysmal. For once of course because NS2 needs new players like you, who are willing to give the game a fair go and are considerate of their surroundings and fellow players. But I'm also sorry that the generally really awesome community of NS2 is introduced in such a fashion to new players. If you ask me, NS2 still has one of the most commited, mature and welcoming communities of any hardcore MP-game out there.

Having said that, I must admit I'm guilty of going on Rookie servers whenever I can't find a regular populated 14-18 player server (and strangely,most populated servers seem to be 24 ppl servers lately). I don't play beneath my level either, because I just can't enjoy myself while doing that. I do, however, go gorge more often than not (instead of Fade, which is my fav) and I do offer my advice and experience to anyone who is willing to take it, no matter which side they are on.

I hope you'll give the game as well as the community a second chance. I know that when I did this, it payed off. With over 250 h of mostly amazing social gaming experiences!

edit:
There's a discussion goin on over at the UWE forums, you might take interest in:
http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/130185/competitive-players-on-rookie-friendly-servers/p1

edit2:
I'd also highly recommend getting a mic. It makes the game 1000x better!
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› |2es-)!(- May 5, 2013 @ 3:55am 
No one wants a rookie commanding for them... or very few I should say. It's very rare in which you find players that will work with a rookie commander.

This is pretty much understood within the NS2 community.... and honestly..... as a rookie, you should know just by common sense that you shouldn't be commanding in the first place until you get quite a bit of experience on the field.
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Squishpoke May 5, 2013 @ 4:06am 
Jerks. I usually help out if a comm wants help. Or offer to take over for him.
Ego May 5, 2013 @ 6:37am 
Unfortunately there are a number of toxic players in NS2 that really need to learn how to STFU. I wish I could offer you more advice other than to mute them.

Hopefully you give the game another chance. You do get some pubstomps, but you'll also get games where everyone just gels and your opponents are equally competent. Those are games that make you want to stick around.
Miki May 5, 2013 @ 11:31am 
you can't learn how to play commander when you get kicked out, if you play for several houndred hours, you will still not learn how to sit in the command station. It's an evil spiral.
smsjrtato May 5, 2013 @ 12:52pm 
Its not just the NS2 community have you played DOTA 2 or Counter Strike? Don't let them ruin your experience ignore them or mute them every community has good and bad players.
› |2es-)!(- May 5, 2013 @ 2:47pm 
Originally posted by Miki:
you can't learn how to play commander when you get kicked out, if you play for several houndred hours, you will still not learn how to sit in the command station. It's an evil spiral.

There is quite a lot you can learn about commanding while just playing out on the field. Such as which tech you should research first, where to build to as a marine to cut off alien access points, map strategies, where best to place arcs in certain spots on certain maps, etc etc.....
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