Quazi Apr 29, 2013 @ 4:36pm
R.I.P. NS2 - Sick Of The Non-Balance
Anyone else getting sick of Unknown Worlds changing build times, cost, and hit levels on things at random? They say it is for balance but honestly i've had this game since the pre-alpha (build 50) and it has never been balanced. The fact that they keep tweaking build times, cost, and hit points proves that they don't have a real balance system setup and that this game will never be fully balanced.

Way to go Unknown Worlds... good job making this game flamer free and balanced.. really congrats.... NOT. I applaud your attempt but will never be purchasing another game you make on principal alone. Thank you for trying to make a FPS Starcraft clone but you have utterly failed and nothing in Natural Selection 2 is unique. It has all been done before in other games. I guess Unknown Worlds has an Unknown Imagination.

R.I.P. Natural Selection 2
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Calego, Elf-Friend Apr 29, 2013 @ 9:04pm 
Bon voyage.

I've been looking for a long time for a game that merges Commanding and playing like NS2 does, if you find a better one, please let me know. Seriously though, I want to play that game.
Thelus Apr 29, 2013 @ 9:57pm 
some guy with Vac bans complaining about something lol
Quazi Apr 29, 2013 @ 11:20pm 
Yeah valve banned me in NS1 when i single handedly defeated 4 of them in a match. They got mad and called me a cheater and vac banned me. The little girls at valve love to act like they are better then everyone else when in reality they just steal ideas much like Unknown Worlds does. Did you know the literal first version of NS1 was infact a Starcraft clone. The players and aliens literally looked like and were named after Starcraft. Blizzard sent them a C&D and threatened to sue so they then changed it from starcraft_mod to natural_selection and started renaming the same characters. So before you start trolling me remember I have been here longer then you have and I know more about this game and the people behind it then you probably do so you might want to listen to some sound advice and find a new game to play before you become a flamer like most of the players in NS2.
Thelus Apr 29, 2013 @ 11:36pm 
Originally posted by Quazi:
Yeah valve banned me in NS1 when i single handedly defeated 4 of them in a match. They got mad and called me a cheater and vac banned me. The little girls at valve love to act like they are better then everyone else when in reality they just steal ideas much like Unknown Worlds does. Did you know the literal first version of NS1 was infact a Starcraft clone. The players and aliens literally looked like and were named after Starcraft. Blizzard sent them a C&D and threatened to sue so they then changed it from starcraft_mod to natural_selection and started renaming the same characters. So before you start trolling me remember I have been here longer then you have and I know more about this game and the people behind it then you probably do so you might want to listen to some sound advice and find a new game to play before you become a flamer like most of the players in NS2.
ah thats not how vac works
Kreddi Apr 30, 2013 @ 1:47am 
Honestly though, what do you consider being the balance flaws?
☠ neo Apr 30, 2013 @ 4:06am 
Originally posted by Quazi:
Yeah valve banned me in NS1 when i single handedly defeated 4 of them in a match. They got mad and called me a cheater and vac banned me. The little girls at valve love to act like they are better then everyone else when in reality they just steal ideas much like Unknown Worlds does. Did you know the literal first version of NS1 was infact a Starcraft clone. The players and aliens literally looked like and were named after Starcraft. Blizzard sent them a C&D and threatened to sue so they then changed it from starcraft_mod to natural_selection and started renaming the same characters. So before you start trolling me remember I have been here longer then you have and I know more about this game and the people behind it then you probably do so you might want to listen to some sound advice and find a new game to play before you become a flamer like most of the players in NS2.

VAC is automatic, and detects memory injections. Nice try though.

Regarding your original post, marine vs alien win loss ratio is nearly 50/50.. so I dunno what you're complaining about. It's really, really balanced.
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Calego, Elf-Friend Apr 30, 2013 @ 5:32am 
What's your point about the Starcraft thing?

Should I hate Andy Warhol's paintings of a soup can because they're just paintings of a soup can? Should I not study the works of the giants when I attempt to make my own art?

Starcraft is arguably one of the most sucessful and popular games out there. Of course it's going to attract people to imitating it.

There are no new ideas. Everything, yes EVERYTHING, has been done before. Every once in a long while someone comes up with a revolutionary idea that suddenly starts being copied. But that's quite rare. Most often the idea has been thought, but the tech hasn't reached its capabilities.

I have no intention of trolling you. Though your wall of text was remarkably difficult to decipher. I just asked you a question. If you have no answer I bid you a fond farewell. Leave those of us who enjoy NS2 alone and go find the next game for you to complain about.

There's really no point to this discussion any more.
Toaster Strudel Apr 30, 2013 @ 9:04am 
Starcraft clone?? LOL this guy...
HadesGR Apr 30, 2013 @ 9:33am 
Originally posted by Quazi:
Yeah valve banned me in NS1 when i single handedly defeated 4 of them in a match. They got mad and called me a cheater and vac banned me. The little girls at valve love to act like they are better then everyone else when in reality they just steal ideas much like Unknown Worlds does. Did you know the literal first version of NS1 was infact a Starcraft clone. The players and aliens literally looked like and were named after Starcraft. Blizzard sent them a C&D and threatened to sue so they then changed it from starcraft_mod to natural_selection and started renaming the same characters. So before you start trolling me remember I have been here longer then you have and I know more about this game and the people behind it then you probably do so you might want to listen to some sound advice and find a new game to play before you become a flamer like most of the players in NS2.

Starcraft clone & one handed 4 ppl from Valve...mate...you are leaving in a rainbow.

Your opinion is like this : sh*t.

Now go back to CoD, will ya?
Chap Chappington - Road To Scrap Apr 30, 2013 @ 9:36am 
I massively disagree about this being a "starcraft" clone, but only a couple of things about ns2 i disagree with, such as the new camo and team balancing issue. The marines rarley win now since their stuff costs more and nano shield lasts only 3 seconds and now i always see marines losing. But other then that this is one of the most addicting games i've ever played!
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angelous Apr 30, 2013 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by British Chap:
I massively disagree about this being a "starcraft" clone, but only a couple of things about ns2 i disagree with, such as the new camo and team balancing issue. The marines rarley win now since their stuff costs more and nano shield lasts only 3 seconds and now i always see marines losing. But other then that this is one of the most addicting games i've ever played!

In NS2Stats there is a 54/46 Alien/Marine win rate, si at least it seems good enough, I kinda liked when it was closer to 60/40, i loved the challenge of playing as a Marine :P

The starcraft thing, well, yes, can't call it a clone, but rather we can call it an Influence, which it's not unheard of.

I see OP has posted another 4 or 5 replies in other discussions, I would like to know what happened or what trigered him to become incredibly angry at the game now. Can't say I have the same credentials as him, given that I only have been playing NS2 for a few months, but still find it incredibly addicting! (specially considering I'm not a fan of FPS!!!)
Haust Apr 30, 2013 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by Quazi:
Yeah valve banned me in NS1 when i single handedly defeated 4 of them in a match. They got mad and called me a cheater and vac banned me. The little girls at valve love to act like they are better then everyone else...
After this line, it should be obvious that you aren't going to have an honest conversation with this guy.
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 30, 2013 @ 2:18pm 
Originally posted by Quazi:
Yeah valve banned me in NS1 when i single handedly defeated 4 of them in a match.

Yeah. Aimbots are cheating. You should know.
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 30, 2013 @ 2:18pm 
Originally posted by Toaster Strudel:
Starcraft clone?? LOL this guy...

Clearly never played SC.

That said, it is funny to use SC lines as a Com when people demand ♥♥♥♥ you simply don't have the money for.
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 30, 2013 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by Quazi:
this game will never be fully balanced.

Can you name a multiplayer game that was ever fully balanced?

Starcraft was never fully balanced. I played SC1 for years and the game was constantly updated for balance adjustments. When Brood Wars got released, it was a massive unbalancing factor. Corsairs annihilated Zerg airborne attacks. A squad of corsairs could wipe out 24 Mutas no problem. Devourers were kind of stupid response especially since they were air only. But Corsairs could hunt down overlords quickly.

And lurkers. Holy hell. Those were horribly unbalanced initially before they had damage and range nerfs.

No Lurkers + major change in Terran Medics + $50 per expansion are the reasons I never bought SC2.
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