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deoxxys 2013年10月8日 22時20分
whens this game gunna go on sale?
I want to play it but its too much and there looks like theres going to be no players soon.
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deoxxys 2013年10月8日 22時24分 
maybe I dont want it, people are saying its unbalanced...
Hobocop 2013年10月8日 23時12分 
It's actually pretty reasonably balanced at the moment, barring a few bits here and there. No easy feat considering the radically different nature of each side, and some people's perceptions of balance may be skewed because they play one side more than the other.
最近の変更はHobocopが行いました; 2013年10月8日 23時14分
Nali Warcow - Birthday' 2013年10月9日 0時15分 
deoxxys の投稿を引用:
maybe I dont want it, people are saying its unbalanced...
People whine about everything. These people just only care for themselves.
Kwisatz 2013年10月9日 2時14分 
I think the present balance is really good for a game this ambitous (asymmetrical factions, very reliant on the players skills).
There's a multibuy sale on at greenmansgaming atm, maybe you want to pick it up there. Otherwise, there will certainly be a sale for the one year anniversary on the 31st October.
deoxxys 2013年10月9日 11時57分 
Kwisatz の投稿を引用:
There's a multibuy sale on at greenmansgaming atm, maybe you want to pick it up there. Otherwise, there will certainly be a sale for the one year anniversary on the 31st October.

ooh sale on the 31st? Is that on all websites? Is it bound to be a big sale? like 80% off?
Camulos#linux 2013年10月9日 12時19分 
i find the game really unbalanced. aliens can easily rush marines if they do it right and win within a few minutes. but if you let the marines they can steam role over aliens later in the game.
deoxxys 2013年10月9日 12時20分 
if the 31st sale is only 50% off the itd be better to get the greenman gaming bundle, however if its 80% off....
deoxxys 2013年10月9日 12時20分 
ChrisPlaysLinux の投稿を引用:
i find the game really unbalanced. aliens can easily rush marines if they do it right and win within a few minutes. but if you let the marines they can steam role over aliens later in the game.

:(
Kwisatz 2013年10月9日 12時38分 
ChrisPlaysLinux の投稿を引用:
i find the game really unbalanced. aliens can easily rush marines if they do it right and win within a few minutes. but if you let the marines they can steam role over aliens later in the game.

When I read posts like these I usually check out the game time of the poster and expect something around 1-20h. I was really surprised to see you played nearly 200h of this game and still think Skulk rushes are a balance issue! Sure, they can be effective, but they rarely work with an aware marine team. And if they do, the round is at least over within a minute and you're good to go for another try. If you really think there's gonna be a Skulk rush, ask your comm to drop an early Observatory for beacons.
Sure, if you "let the marines", they will steam role you. It's the same thing with aliens though :) Just try to not let them, that's the whole point of the game!
For example, instead of trying to rush their base early game, bite down some res towers as a Skulk, because that is what you should do.

The real problem are either stacked matches (and ppl that keep stacking after one unbalanced game - hate them!), or matches with unexperienced comms/players that keep dragging on, when one team is already down to a few rt's (ressource towers) and one tech point.
I've had alot of good, balanced matches lately though (it wasn't always like that).
Camulos#linux 2013年10月9日 13時09分 
your arguments are invalid done it several times against pro teams.
Chowder7116 2013年10月9日 16時58分 
deoxxys の投稿を引用:
ChrisPlaysLinux の投稿を引用:
i find the game really unbalanced. aliens can easily rush marines if they do it right and win within a few minutes. but if you let the marines they can steam role over aliens later in the game.

:(
Dont listen to that idiot. That rarely ever happens on the game. Aleins cant rush because of how big the maps are. By the time aleins find the mariens base their will be mines and turrets everywhere.

And Mariens can steamroll over aleins if your team sucks.
100% Recycled Awesome 2013年10月9日 17時12分 
deoxxys の投稿を引用:
maybe I dont want it, people are saying its unbalanced...

Depends on the patch number. Some patches are way more balanced than others. Patch 243 had 4% difference in win rates. Build 256 had as 12% difference in win rates.
Hobocop 2013年10月9日 17時15分 
ChrisPlaysLinux の投稿を引用:
your arguments are invalid done it several times against pro teams.

'Pro' teams by what metric?

And if marines didn't have enough map intel or wherewithal to potentially catch out a base rush or have a comm that realizes that he should probably beacon if there's half a dozen red dots approaching his main base, he probably wasn't very good to begin with, or made a critical error somewhere that left an opening for aliens to exploit.

That doesn't exactly make the game hugely imbalanced. Cheese base rushes happen in SC2 world tournaments as well, but that doesn't make the game imbalanced because someone pulled off an early all-in base rush that caught their opponent off-guard.
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100% Recycled Awesome 2013年10月9日 17時19分 
Kwisatz の投稿を引用:
The real problem are either stacked matches (and ppl that keep stacking after one unbalanced game - hate them!)

Too bad more servers don't have the KDR plugin to prevent this. The problem with this is that it sometimes ranks good support players who get solid KDR when a key players is on their team
highly. Place a bunch of support only players together and they're going to get mauled. However, that's still better than the stacking that otherwise happens.
Whiskey_in_the_Jar 2013年10月9日 17時29分 
Nali Warcow @ Twitch.tv の投稿を引用:
deoxxys の投稿を引用:
maybe I dont want it, people are saying its unbalanced...
People whine about everything. These people just only care for themselves.
sayed the saint.
so i gues you dont care for yourself right?
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