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Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月30日 21時41分
BAH!
I can't be the only one who is sick of companies littering games with $$$ items that set people apart in a server. It's not jealousy, it's just....... disappointing. I don't notice it when I play (besides the icons). I just don't like being reminded of UWE efforts in this field of trade. To avoid expressing myself...BAH!
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Cim 2013年10月30日 21時55分 
Look at it this way: The people who donate money and get those icons/skins are paying for the content updates that you get for free.

Check out the Reinforced Program[www.naturalselection2.com]. It's pretty tastefully done if you ask me, with the skins and badges simply being a "thank you" to the people who donate.
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Daxx 2013年10月30日 22時06分 
It's a 100% cosmetic reward that acknowledges people for supporting the game. Dosn't "Set people apart" in any way.
#sixty 2013年10月30日 22時08分 
I don't mind the skins at all, it's the badges that annoy me. Badgers are always stacking teams together.
Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月30日 22時09分 
That's the exact way I do not wish to look at it. That way is very disappointing. What you find tastefull, I can find disappointing. The content I have, I paid for. What you speak is what you fail to see in my "look at it this way" approach.

If a computer salesman uploaded windows 8 onto my computer and told me it was for free, I would still have the same issue when he says that I am in debt to him.
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Hobocop 2013年10月30日 22時22分 
No, you're probably not the only one who dislikes companies putting purely cosmetic items in the game for a microtransaction.

I've long since come to terms with it because it doesn't matter. It's not negatively effecting the core mechanics of the game in any way.
Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月30日 22時29分 
Players are the core mechanics of this game. IT is the very reason IMO that DLC could have never been sold. It's not a story telling game. It's a mutiplayer game. So, what I feel is a negative effect IS the division bell I spoke of. This, in some form, I'm trying to express.

"probably not the only one"
Hobocop 2013年10月30日 22時39分 
So? Cosmetics provide no mechanical benefit whatsoever.

You should probably be complaining about something more concrete like skill disparities between players in public servers that create more tangible player divisiveness than anything else and not trying to scapegoat it off onto badges and player skins.
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Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月30日 22時45分 
Hobocop の投稿を引用:
So? Cosmetics provide no mechanical benefit whatsoever.

You should probably be complaining about something more concrete like skill disparities between players in public servers and not trying to scapegoat it off onto badges and player skins.

If you're asking do I think skill disparities are more concrete than my distaste for badges and skins...The answer would be no, Skills improve.
Daxx 2013年10月30日 23時14分 
.exalt の投稿を引用:
Players are the core mechanics of this game. IT is the very reason IMO that DLC could have never been sold. It's not a story telling game. It's a mutiplayer game. So, what I feel is a negative effect IS the division bell I spoke of. This, in some form, I'm trying to express.

"probably not the only one"

It's not DLC, it's rewarding players that support the game. Every primary update to play the game is available to you for free. I really don't see what you problem is.
Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月30日 23時24分 
Daxx の投稿を引用:
it's rewarding players that support the game

I'm not disagreeing with facts. I just hope you're not going as far to set those players above the game I already purchased. I for one am not to start such a race.
Hobocop 2013年10月31日 0時26分 
.exalt の投稿を引用:
Hobocop の投稿を引用:
So? Cosmetics provide no mechanical benefit whatsoever.

You should probably be complaining about something more concrete like skill disparities between players in public servers and not trying to scapegoat it off onto badges and player skins.

If you're asking do I think skill disparities are more concrete than my distaste for badges and skins...The answer would be no, Skills improve.

And yet, there's probably ten times as many complaints about team stacking and more skilled players dumping all over newbies which has little correlation with badges or skins. The only thing you might be able to argue is that the players that are more invested in the game, i.e. they play it enough to feel that a donation for further development is justified, and therefore probably have a badge or skin are more likely to be better at the game than people who aren't.

But the core issue is and always has been skill disparities. Your argument is pretty much whining for the sake of it because you don't like extra cosmetic stuff for money for no rational reason.
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Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月31日 2時02分 
Hobocop の投稿を引用:
you don't like extra cosmetic stuff for money for no rational reason.

I find that I'm comfortable with your opinoun as to what is rational...

Hobocop の投稿を引用:
No, you're probably not the only one who dislikes companies putting purely cosmetic items in the game for a microtransaction.

...dispite what you choose to argue. Fair is fair.

Hobocop の投稿を引用:
I've long since come to terms with it because it doesn't matter.
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Chris (禁止済) 2013年10月31日 3時29分 
My perspective does not come from the lack of reasonable, rational, or purposeful thought. The last game I purchased was this one. Games are what I buy. Not this marketplace for developers. If then was today, I would have never bought the game and invested 1000 hours in it.

Money doesn't kindle anything but entitlement. The harshness of feedback proves this.

One of my rookie questions entering NS2 was: how did you get that Black Armor. I was pleased with the answer, because I could not buy it with money.

If that says to you that I'm cheap, then you're probably far from understanding me. I will pay another full price to get back such a game. Instead it's a marketplace for the devs. I'm just a jester who should be happy about the money flow...haha. There! I tried, now I'll go back to whining. I'm considerably polite I think.
RaZDaZ 2013年10月31日 4時22分 
.exalt の投稿を引用:
My perspective does not come from the lack of reasonable, rational, or purposeful thought. The last game I purchased was this one. Games are what I buy. Not this marketplace for developers. If then was today, I would have never bought the game and invested 1000 hours in it.

Money doesn't kindle anything but entitlement. The harshness of feedback proves this.

One of my rookie questions entering NS2 was: how did you get that Black Armor. I was pleased with the answer, because I could not buy it with money.

If that says to you that I'm cheap, then you're probably far from understanding me. I will pay another full price to get back such a game. Instead it's a marketplace for the devs. I'm just a jester who should be happy about the money flow...haha. There! I tried, now I'll go back to whining. I'm considerably polite I think.

Where have you been for the past 5 years! You do realise that games like LoL, DOTA, etc RELY on cosmetic and mechanic variation microtransactions right? Even most MMOs do this now, even WoW and it's a viable and constructive business model provided it does not give the player mechanical advantages over another.

Of all the things you could rightfully complain about NS2, you pick one that I've never heard people complain of before and generally, has far more positive aspects than negative. Are you complaining simply because you want to complain or are you genuinely frustrated with this concept?
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Oh Noes 2013年10月31日 8時50分 
.exalt の投稿を引用:

One of my rookie questions entering NS2 was: how did you get that Black Armor. I was pleased with the answer, because I could not buy it with money.

Wait for the reinforcement program to end and then you won’t be able to get the cosmetic items and you can be happy again.
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