Natural Selection 2

Natural Selection 2

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Mango ☾ Jan 21, 2014 @ 1:49am
Outdoor Maps
I was wondering if there are any outdoor maps. I havent played much NS2 but from what ive played there seems to be no outdoor maps, why is this?
Also, will the devs bring out DLC with new maps etc?
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1bean234 Jan 21, 2014 @ 3:47am 
Outdoor areas suck, its to easy for an alien to hang out and rack up kills. Which is why we dont have any outdoor maps.
Last edited by 1bean234; Jan 21, 2014 @ 3:48am
Ghoul  [developer] Jan 21, 2014 @ 5:02am 
In fact there is a custom map with a large outside area, but as ns2 was designed for indoor battles it doesn't work out as allready said.

And uwe never will release any dlc, new maps came and will come via patchs like in the good old days ;)
Mango ☾ Jan 21, 2014 @ 5:49am 
i guess this type of game needs to be indoors
R1B$ Jan 21, 2014 @ 6:04am 
Originally posted by Mango:
i guess this type of game needs to be indoors

Pretty much.

Aliens depend on walls and obstacles as part of their balance, but more importantly that's how the engine slices the loading grid for the maps.

Go in spectator mode and look at the entire map, you'll notice it might get a little laggy, the reason for this is because when you are playing the only rooms being rendered are the rooms you are in and the adjascent rooms next to it, if you aren't in a room everything is loaded.

You might notice that it's extremely difficult to see 2 or 3 rooms ahead from one room...the level designers create crooked hallways so the engine doesn't need to render them.

The open areas in NS2 (like crevice in ns_summit) are just slightly larger rooms, they are still walled off.

They could modifiy the engine to make big open maps, but performance/visuals would still take a hit, including balance.
Last edited by R1B$; Jan 21, 2014 @ 6:06am
Mango ☾ Jan 21, 2014 @ 6:20am 
yeh i noticed i couldnt see the other rooms very well. imo it would be cool to have outdoor maps but what u said makes it limited
Anon Jan 21, 2014 @ 9:20am 
Outdoor maps are not really a good idea because Aliens have no roofs on those maps.
Fenrir Jan 21, 2014 @ 11:51am 
personally i think outdoor maps would be interesting to see how strategies develop. Indoor areas are highly flawed as well. There are dozens of lights that should not be there at all, just to make things easier for marines. Even the vents are crowded with lights. It is seriously break immersion. Outdoor maps could be designed into rooms (mountains, ruins, dense forestation etc) so that is not a problem at al, the problem is although surface areas where aliens can attach on would be very little in a map like that and i do not think the engine allows attaching to tree surfaces for example. (Alienn vs predator was a neat game!)
Last edited by Fenrir; Jan 21, 2014 @ 11:56am
Loki Jan 21, 2014 @ 1:07pm 
the closest you will get to an outdoor map in NS mode is ns2_kodiak.

There is an outdoor esk map for the skulks with shotguns mod called ns2_sws_eden.

Apart from those two maps above the only other map that I guess you could say is "true" outdoors for 50% of the map is ns2_agora.

A full outdoor map would not work in NS2 not just because of the engine but because of the games mechanics. Lerks would be unstoppable marines would need sniper rifles to combat them or AA turrets :D
Fenrir Jan 21, 2014 @ 1:22pm 
mmm snipe rifles and turrets!
Daxx Jan 21, 2014 @ 1:47pm 
Originally posted by ChrisPlaysLinux:
mmm snipe rifles and turrets!

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Mango ☾ Jan 21, 2014 @ 5:27pm 
turrets and snipers with an outdoor map would be awesome
Eyeball Jan 22, 2014 @ 8:56pm 
Giant tentacles vs VTOLs?
Fenrir Jan 23, 2014 @ 11:08am 
+1 for giant tentacles. Aliens could use those to♥♥♥♥♥♥their women i mean "whip" their women.
think there's a map named... kodiak that uses some wide-open outdoor-like places.

It's terribly laggy and very unbalanced on both sides.
Lowa Jan 23, 2014 @ 3:16pm 
Originally posted by Anon:
Outdoor maps are not really a good idea because Aliens have no roofs on those maps.

There's no roof in landing pad on docking but you can still be on the roof of the map, since maps aare all jsut bix boxes. so yeah you could still get to the top.
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Date Posted: Jan 21, 2014 @ 1:49am
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