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Eyeball 1月14日 21時58分
How do I get people to play ns2?
I bought a bunch of ns2 from humble bundle. But every friend I invited to play was instantly turned off by its complexity. They do enjoy playing magicka, sanctum 2 or L4D2 from Christmas giveaway. Some of my friends even play lol competitively, but it's really frustrating when I can get no one to like my favorite game. What am I doing wrong? I'd like to hear some people's experience on getting friends to play ns2 or how u overcome the steep learning curve as a rookie.
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1bean234 1月15日 0時21分 
How complex is it to shoot aliens?

Could you please elaborate on what exactly turns them off?
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Foxxylicious 1月15日 1時32分 
"play lol competitively"
There's your problem. Nothing you can do about it.
Eyeball 1月15日 2時04分 
Shooting aliens is no big deal actually. the part where they cant overcome is there are things u can do but it's wrong to do so. and the golden rule of skilled player>less skilled player. for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right? one of my friend(non lol player) did it wrong. he got killed in the process and the team lost an unbuilt phase gate. then he got flamed.
Another example is my classmate(also non lol player), she saw me playing ns2 and wanted to join me. i understand ns2 has a deep nature so i took her to an empty "rookie only" sever to help her understand the gameplay. at first things went smoothly, but after a few people joined the server, we started a match. our opponent obviously had someone who's more experienced in charge. so we easily got stomped.
As for the lol friends....... they never touched ns2==(feels like a total waste to gift ns2 to them)
1bean234 1月15日 2時59分 
Ey3ball の投稿を引用:
Shooting aliens is no big deal actually. the part where they cant overcome is there are things u can do but it's wrong to do so. and the golden rule of skilled player>less skilled player. for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right? one of my friend(non lol player) did it wrong. he got killed in the process and the team lost an unbuilt phase gate. then he got flamed.
Another example is my classmate(also non lol player), she saw me playing ns2 and wanted to join me. i understand ns2 has a deep nature so i took her to an empty "rookie only" sever to help her understand the gameplay. at first things went smoothly, but after a few people joined the server, we started a match. our opponent obviously had someone who's more experienced in charge. so we easily got stomped.
As for the lol friends....... they never touched ns2==(feels like a total waste to gift ns2 to them)

Huh.

They should try training OR watch youtube gameplay clips.

Either one of those will allow your rookies to gain the knowledge needed for internet play.

Apheirox 1月15日 3時58分 
Your friends will have to put up with the combination of a steep learning curve and an obnoxious community that's more inclined to shout at newbies than help them. Yeah, it's not hard to see why the community is small. I would like to offer advice but I honestly don't see what you can do. Even the responses you got here show exactly what's wrong.
Worf son of Mogh 1月15日 5時03分 
For me the reason I love this game so much is that it is the closest thing to a Quake 2 Mod (Gloom) that I played for 6 years and no other games. It's the mod that NS1 was based off and now I am so happy to be abale to play a game similar to Gloom but with so many more people.

It's too bad. The other problem is now it is so easy to buy many games with steam, back during NS1/Gloom you probably played the same game much longer, hence the need for mods to keep the game fresh. Many people probably have a short attention span for games and are not used to investing so much time to a game they have never heard of. (this is a gross generalization of course)
R1B$ 1月15日 5時11分 
I think this game is running mostly on nostalgia and a hardcore, loyal fanbase.

The skillbar is incredibly high and there is nothing seperating the community's skill levels other than a paltry rookie friendly server tag that has become meaningless over time.

New players get dominated in a very un-fun way, I consider myself fairly decent and I still manage to get wrecked occasionally.
chickentoast 1月15日 5時42分 
Ey3ball の投稿を引用:
for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right?

wrong, we do not finish the power until it is required
The Happy Friar 1月15日 7時17分 
I don't play because of the longggggggggggggggggggg map loading times. Besides that, I love tactical multiplayer FPS.
H4deZ 1月15日 10時56分 
Hey Ey3ball,
I missed the Humble Bundle sale but if you have a key left i would love to join you for NS2. Played the old Half Life mod ages ago but didnt give the sequel a try yet. Added you on Steam, let me know :)
Eyeball 1月15日 12時30分 
Apheirox の投稿を引用:
Your friends will have to put up with the combination of a steep learning curve and an obnoxious community that's more inclined to shout at newbies than help them. Yeah, it's not hard to see why the community is small. I would like to offer advice but I honestly don't see what you can do. Even the responses you got here show exactly what's wrong.
well, that's just...... sad. :(


Worf son of Mogh の投稿を引用:
It's too bad. The other problem is now it is so easy to buy many games with steam, back during NS1/Gloom you probably played the same game much longer, hence the need for mods to keep the game fresh. Many people probably have a short attention span for games and are not used to investing so much time to a game they have never heard of. (this is a gross generalization of course)
hmm i see ur point. ns2 does have little to none advertisement. maybe that's why most of the people have that confused looking on their faces when i recommand the game to them.


R1B$ の投稿を引用:
I think this game is running mostly on nostalgia and a hardcore, loyal fanbase.

The skillbar is incredibly high and there is nothing seperating the community's skill levels other than a paltry rookie friendly server tag that has become meaningless over time.

New players get dominated in a very un-fun way, I consider myself fairly decent and I still manage to get wrecked occasionally.
yeah i agree. this game is pretty hardcore sometimes. and most of the time you get stacked team, unbalanced game, ♥♥♥♥ty comm, etc. that's just not fun at all. you need some patience to play a few rounds in the same server. sometimes when the skill level of two teams are even then can u have some fun.

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Ey3ball の投稿を引用:
for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right?

wrong, we do not finish the power until it is required
see? i've played for a hundred hours and still cant get everthing right. how can a rookie stand those many untold rules?
Stark 1月15日 16時07分 
Ey3ball の投稿を引用:
for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right? one of my friend(non lol player) did it wrong. he got killed in the process and the team lost an unbuilt phase gate. then he got flamed.

Another example is my classmate(also non lol player), she saw me playing ns2 and wanted to join me. i understand ns2 has a deep nature so i took her to an empty "rookie only" sever to help her understand the gameplay. at first things went smoothly, but after a few people joined the server, we started a match. our opponent obviously had someone who's more experienced in charge. so we easily got stomped.

I'm geninuely curious as to why, in these two examples, your friends were "turned off" by their experiences.

Except for the part about being flamed (which is something you just have to ignore when you are new, because it's part of online gaming), I don't understand why, in a game in which you are a novice, doing something wrong and being told you did it wrong is a problem.

Stomping has become a rather annoying problem in pub play, but as a rookie it is possible to find a server where you can learn the game at an appropriate pace. However, it just seems to me like your friend is incapable of dealing with a challenge. I understand that it is no fun to be killed repeatedly, but as someone who is trying to learn a game that is known for it's difficulty I would think that your friend would not expect to become an instantaneous expert and would strive to become better despite defeat.

Again, I'm just trying to better understand the mindset of your friends. If anything in my post sounds condescending or hosilte I apologize.

Stark 1月15日 16時13分 
chickentoast の投稿を引用:
Ey3ball の投稿を引用:
for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right?

wrong, we do not finish the power until it is required

I think he means that if the power has been socketed in a room and another buliding has been dropped (usually a resource extractor), then the right thing to do is build the power first. That is correct.

Unless told, most rookies don't understand the signifigance of building in the order of power node > resource extractor > other buildings. The reason this is so is because the power node does not cost any money while other buildings do. If you are attacked and killed before you finish building the power then nothing is lost. However, if you are attempting to build the resource extractor and you are killed, you will not have gained any resources from the extractor and wasted the 10 team res investment.
MrMuffinz 1月15日 18時26分 
Ey3ball の投稿を引用:
Shooting aliens is no big deal actually. the part where they cant overcome is there are things u can do but it's wrong to do so. and the golden rule of skilled player>less skilled player. for example, we usually dont build anything until the power's up , right? one of my friend(non lol player) did it wrong. he got killed in the process and the team lost an unbuilt phase gate. then he got flamed.
Another example is my classmate(also non lol player), she saw me playing ns2 and wanted to join me. i understand ns2 has a deep nature so i took her to an empty "rookie only" sever to help her understand the gameplay. at first things went smoothly, but after a few people joined the server, we started a match. our opponent obviously had someone who's more experienced in charge. so we easily got stomped.
As for the lol friends....... they never touched ns2==(feels like a total waste to gift ns2 to them)
That's weird, i've never seen someone flamed for not getting a build finished unless they were being really dumb about it.

Like tapping E to try and make people mad.
Eyeball 1月15日 21時56分 
Stark の投稿を引用:
I'm geninuely curious as to why, in these two examples, your friends were "turned off" by their experiences.

Except for the part about being flamed (which is something you just have to ignore when you are new, because it's part of online gaming), I don't understand why, in a game in which you are a novice, doing something wrong and being told you did it wrong is a problem.

Stomping has become a rather annoying problem in pub play, but as a rookie it is possible to find a server where you can learn the game at an appropriate pace. However, it just seems to me like your friend is incapable of dealing with a challenge. I understand that it is no fun to be killed repeatedly, but as someone who is trying to learn a game that is known for it's difficulty I would think that your friend would not expect to become an instantaneous expert and would strive to become better despite defeat.

Again, I'm just trying to better understand the mindset of your friends. If anything in my post sounds condescending or hosilte I apologize.
Most of my gift recipients know nothing about ns2. though i've told them this game is hardcore beforehand, i had no way to know how much they understand. people keep doing things wrong and keep getting corrected in a polite or rude way. im sure most of them have no problem about being told u did something wrong. they just find no fun in a game where u have to think carefully before every single move(not the thinking type maybe?).
As for the stomping part, i think u might be right. these people are likely to be incapable of dealing with such challenge. especially the kind of challenge that you'll lose every 9 engagements out of 10.
I think maybe the only mistake i made is that i choose the wrong group of people to send my gift. ns2 definitely is not made for the major public.
And don't worry. i'm not so easily offended. so feel free to speak straight. ;D
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