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Rainer Baedal 12 ม.ค. @ 10:36am
Nailing Cheaters
Ok, so we all know cheaters exist. Quite a few in fact. However it's not quite so easy to catch one. Due to the level of sophistication that cheats have arrived at with a wide range of anti-detection even when being watched, it's nigh impossible to tell. Unless you know what your looking for.

The most commonly easily spotted action of a hacker is his lack of focus, for instance seeing three targets as each one passes his crosshair he snaps to each one as they do so, never picking a target. Because he can't his auto-aim is doing it for him. Then the ability to snap to targets moving verticle. PROs like major pros who get paid have difficulty doing this, especially if the partern is irratic. Aka they tend to miss more if an object is moving verticle rather than horizontal, and they definately don't hit dead center every single time.

I notice this guys cheat appears to be based on distance, he was targetting a gorge (dead center), then as another gorge moved just slightly closer he snapped to it (dead center), why the change in targets? Two gorges are the same thing. Then a third target ran past both, snapped right to it (dead center) he waited? Why? Never fired on any target. Its because if he started shooting it would be quite obvious to everyone he was shooting at that he was cheating. This skulk was jumping up toward a wall. Followed the target pin point dead center the entire time. Never varied by even a pixel, not one pixel. Then fired after a few seconds.

The problem is he doesn't use it all the time. Why use it against rookies for instance? They'll probably kill themselves for you. For instance he would use it at major points on the map, system waypoint, stability monitoring, ect. places where this cheat would really help out. Another problem is it only snaps to targets within a certain distance of his crosshair so the only reason I was able to spot it was because one he had turned it on in this instance (he was attacking a hive), and three targets happen to cross within his crosshair. This isn't something that happens all the time, most of the time aliens want to try to come from multiple directions not straight at them bunched together.

How do I catch this guy and how do I get this guy banned cause this crap is lame!

Yes I can beat him, because I don't try to run across a marines cursor for the autoaim to kick in. But it's still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
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Apheirox 12 ม.ค. @ 10:50am 
200+ hours and I haven't seen a single cheater, just some really, really good players.

This thread smells like another case of I-see-cheaters-everywhere syndrome. Yes, some players are THAT good.
Rainer Baedal 12 ม.ค. @ 10:56am 
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Apheirox:
200+ hours and I haven't seen a single cheater, just some really, really good players.

This thread smells like another case of I-see-cheaters-everywhere syndrome. Yes, some players are THAT good.

This mentality is what allows these cheats to get away with cheating. Going 50-1 is not an issue, going 97-18 my personal best is not an issue. I have 3x the amount of hours as you do. This is the first cheater I have seen, in that entire time, that I could confirm myself. Locking on and not varying your attack by even 1 pixel is either superhuman to the point where you shouldn't ever die or your aim is being controlled. Frankly thats impossible dead center no variation, and snapping to each center target as they pass by the crosshair? You think dead center on a single pixel while following the target is normal?
ได้รับการแก้ไขครั้งสุดท้ายโดย Rainer Baedal; 12 ม.ค. @ 10:59am
JSwizzy 12 ม.ค. @ 10:58am 
750 hours and I have yet to see a hacker. Cry more L2P.
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Rainer Baedal 12 ม.ค. @ 11:02am 
So your all saying this game is unhackable or that you've never been able to id a cheat, because there are plenty out there for this game, and some clearly shown videos of cheats. I'll see if I can link one. Actually I'm not sure thats allowed here.

This is the level cheats have arrived at only 1/10 people can spot them and those other 9 just say its not a cheat so the hacker can do it all he wants.

Heres a wall hack no auto aim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ghrz48WR4
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Warforce17 12 ม.ค. @ 11:05am 
Record a video of the hacking incedent and send it to an admin like ironhorse.
ได้รับการแก้ไขครั้งสุดท้ายโดย Warforce17; 12 ม.ค. @ 11:05am
Apheirox 12 ม.ค. @ 11:28am 
If you've over three times my playtime and have seen one hacker it means cheating is hardly a big issue with this game. Report the guy and move on, no need to start a thread about it.
Rainer Baedal 12 ม.ค. @ 11:34am 
That means I've only confirmed one hacker that I can say with confidence that he is cheating. I'm sure we've all seen some and have just not known. Though I don't think its as rampant as other games. Most of these servers use a universal ban list, so don't know how many have been banned that have not been banned by vac. Plus I play on the same server every day so I can tell whos who.
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Stark 12 ม.ค. @ 11:37am 
I don't understand why it's impossible to believe that Rainer is telling the truth.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย JSwizzy:
750 hours and I have yet to see a hacker. Cry more L2P.

"In my experience I have not seen a hacker. Therefore they don't exist". Other people play this game, at different times, on different servers, you know?

Rainer is a respectable player with enough experience to be able to spot a hacker. And if what he has described is true, then it would be evidence for hacking. It is true that hacking is rather rare, or at least that, amongst the small NS2 community with a certain level of sophistication, it is not often detected. That explains why so many people in both this forum and the official forums like to say "after my x amount of hours playing I haven't seen any, so you must be lying."

The video of Zero/NSP is a blatantly obvious example of wallhacking.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Warforce17:
Record a video of the hacking incedent and send it to an admin like ironhorse.

This seems to be the best course of action as naming-and-shaming is generally frowned upon.
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[#OMEGA] - K2 12 ม.ค. @ 3:06pm 
Make sure the server you're playing on has properly blacklsited the model files and lua files. If it doesn't (i.e. never bothered to update consistency config), it may have been a simple lua aimbot.

I haven't seen any aimbot that bypass the consistency checking if setup properly, the small audicene doesn't seem to be worth it to make hacks for this game.
Oh also, the "wallhack", i.e. bright models is blocked by consistency, unless there is another kind around.
100% Recycled Awesome 12 ม.ค. @ 3:53pm 
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย JSwizzy:
750 hours and I have yet to see a hacker. Cry more L2P.

Or you simply don't notice it?

Saying there aren't cheaters is pretty ridiculous when the official playtesters for UWE have set up their own banning feature to combat hacking.

I know for a fact there's one cheater running around with a wall hack as he lines up shots on things he cannot see and starts shooting before he enters a room. I've seen this from both an Alien aspect and from being on his team. Simply knowing there is an alien on the ceiling somewhere is different from lining your shot up perfectly and shooting before you enter so every round that is in the room will hit. Basically impossible to sneak up on him because of his wall hack. If he's on a server, I leave it. He's basically running around with an infnite com scan. His scores on Alien are nowhere even close to his scores on Marine.

User Corrupt Convergence has at least 4 videos on Youtube showing him blantantly aimbotting. He's currently banned on NS2Bans.

The amount of hacking is likely more than those who claim there is none (such as yourself) and less than those who cry hacker all the time.
100% Recycled Awesome 12 ม.ค. @ 3:55pm 
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย #OMEGA - K2:
Oh also, the "wallhack", i.e. bright models is blocked by consistency, unless there is another kind around.

There's one that doesn't deal with textures. It creates outlines of red and blue for enemies/allies through walls. And it keeps getting updated which is fricken' annoying. I'm not going to say what it's called but the forums for it have active postings and the POS b@stard scumbag responsible seems relatively on it for each patch. It's likely the wallhack that one player I know is hacking is using.
RaZDaZ 12 ม.ค. @ 4:04pm 
800 hours played, seen one cheater and was really obvious. 20-0 within 1 minute killing 4-5 skulks in one mag.
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aurorable1 12 ม.ค. @ 5:34pm 
I don't have a ton of hours like you guys (only 177). Once, when I was playing as a skulk I was sneaking around (I was NOT running) and could hear a guy coming, so I stopped moving (I had the invisibility abilty) I was not visible to him before I when invisible since I was hiding around a corner (And I was NOT poking out). And they did NOT scan the area. Then when the guy came around the corner and shot me down within a second, I didn't even move or in anyway show myself, so how would they know I was there? (I know how to play the game and how things work in it) Plus some of the other player thought something was off with this player, so we metion it to the player who was acting strange and they just left for no reason (We didn't bug the player or do anything rude). Maybe I'm crazy but the incident seemed very strange and not right.
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Gordon Ramsay 12 ม.ค. @ 5:39pm 
cheating is easy to spot when you've been playing FPS for a long time, the patterns are always the same, regardless of which cheat it is. Only takes a shred of intelligence and knowledge of what to look for. Regardless of hours in X game, if you've been doing this for a long time. Alot of ignorance in here that want to bury their heads in the sand, some of which are probably supporting said behavior too. This is cute
zverozvero 12 ม.ค. @ 5:52pm 
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย RaZDaZ:
800 hours played, seen one cheater and was really obvious. 20-0 within 1 minute killing 4-5 skulks in one mag.

Saw 3 dead skulks from single pistol clip, Yet he wasn't cheater, just "good guy" that joined rookie srver to whipe floor with potential new gamers :). So 4 skulks for 500 damage potential of one clip is posible. Observing his first person view is beter sours of info.

'd love servers to have nice admins that'd check suspicious persons regulary... yet even Blizzard with SC2 couldn do it efectively... and go to observer mod midgame can cause your cick :( Good thing hackers aren't comon, and since pro a---s ruin rookie servers much more often it's not that big of a deal.
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