Natural Selection 2

Natural Selection 2

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Palpy Apr 6, 2014 @ 1:56pm
The ROOKIE SYSTEM does not work.
I have clocked 195 hours of game time for NS2. I played NS1 from the day it was available for download. I was a member of the NS2 alpha mapping team back when it was being made in Source. I payed for this game back when it was pre-alpha and have watched it grow.

So can somebody explain to me why now I can't join any of my favourite servers, I can't play with any of my friends, and I've been reduced to 'rookie' level?

I'm sorry, but this game is absoluetly unplayable for me now. I have to play 10 hours of rookie servers so I can play my game properly again? Would someone like to pay me for 10 hours of my time, because it doesn't come cheap. I've managed 6.5 and it was all painful. All painful.

Surely 195 hours of play time denotes that I am not a rookie, so why make long term players do this? I'm pretty angry about it.
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Pielord Apr 6, 2014 @ 1:57pm 
I thought it was based off your Steam playtime, are you talking about a specific server? Edit: Also you can turn into rookie in options, not sure if it goes the other way.
Last edited by Pielord; Apr 6, 2014 @ 1:58pm
Palpy Apr 6, 2014 @ 1:59pm 
No, it's not based on your Steam playtime. It's based on a new system of playtime that starts at 0.

To further rub salt into the wound, I have no idea how to tell if a server is ranked before I join. So I could be playing on some newb server for hours before realising that it's not even contributing to this tedious process that I've been made to go through, all in order to play the game that I've been playing for years.
Pielord Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:02pm 
I never had that problem, almost all the servers I see are rookie though. I didn't know rookies were stopped from joining non-rookie games unless it is a modded server.
Palpy Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:07pm 
Some servers require only Steam playtime. Almost all the UK servers that me and my friends used to play on, I can no longer join.

It's almost impossible to figure all this out without going through this frustrating process of joining servers, pre-caching for god knows how long, only to find out you can't play. It's a demented system that punishes long time players and also dumps newbs into total newb fests, which immediately puts them off the game.

I have many friends that I've encouraged to buy this game, who immediately have gone off it thanks to this system. Sorry guys, you can't play with good players on good servers until you've sacrificed 10 tedious hours of your life.
Pielord Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:14pm 
Are you sure that isn't a mod?
Palpy Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:18pm 
I have no idea.

I load the game. It tells me on the Main Menu that I am Level 1, which is Rookie, and if you click on that, it tells you how many hours you've played in their new levelling system, which is 6.5 hours. It doesn't matter that Steam says I've played 195 hours.

Even if it is a mod, I *should* be able to play my game. I payed for it years ago. *Years ago.*

This isn't something that I've just noticed. I've been trying to get into my games for freaking weeks now. It's a dense and complicated system, marred further by zero guidance which means I have to click on things through trial and error to try and unearth some detail on how I'm meant to play the game that I used to play a lot.
Palpy Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:20pm 
I can't believe this system was approved when it screws people that have been playing for years. I can imagine that many people would not put up with this.
Pielord Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:26pm 
I didn't even know that thing existed. I am also level 1, says I played for 8.75 hours. Edit: And as I said before I haven't had any problems with playtime, probably a server thing.
Last edited by Pielord; Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:26pm
aYos Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:41pm 
Change your profile to public. It won't work immediately (go play a few games on a server that works), but that's the problem. How is the server suppose to know your playtime if you don't give it access to your profile? These server are privately hosted and have no interaction with Steam. Thus it looks you up by your SteamID..
Last edited by aYos; Apr 6, 2014 @ 2:42pm
Sylwester Apr 6, 2014 @ 4:43pm 
It's a mod and 10 hours isn't really that much (some servers require a lot more), since you can get good games on rookie friendly servers too.

Servers get playtime stats either from your steam stats (so far I only played on 1 such server and it requires your steam profile to be public), or hive: http://hive.naturalselection2.com/
hive servers whitelist: http://hive.naturalselection2.com/servers/whitelist
Palpy Apr 7, 2014 @ 4:54am 
Thanks for the help guys. I really don't want to make my profile public, it's set to be private for a reason. Maybe I could do that for the remaining 3.5 hours that I have to play, but this is yet another oversight of this system.

You ask how the system supposed to know if my profile is private, well, who the hell designed this system without anticipating that some people want their profile private?

Like I said, I've already played more than 10 hours, but sometimes it's been futile because it hasn't been a ranked server and therefore the time hasn't accumulated. And yes, 10 hours is a lot of time. I'm not a school kid who has easter holidays coming, I have a career to be getting on with!

To be clear, that screenshot is from just one server. I get this all the time, and there is nothing in what is already a complicated game to explain it.

I'll try changing my privacy settings, which I'm now also pretty angry about, because I'm being forced to change them to play a game I've already plowed 195 hours into.
Pielord Apr 7, 2014 @ 8:13am 
Originally posted by Lord Ajax:
You ask how the system supposed to know if my profile is private, well, who the hell designed this system without anticipating that some people want their profile private?
You may be able to change your profile to public for a few minutes while it checks then change it back if you really care. If it is user created then of course it can't see your private profile, that would defeat the point of it being private.
Maxwell_Edison Apr 7, 2014 @ 8:13pm 
I'm pretty sure that's a mod, I wouldn't get too upset with the game ..
na Apr 9, 2014 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by Lord Ajax:
I have no idea.

I load the game. It tells me on the Main Menu that I am Level 1, which is Rookie, and if you click on that, it tells you how many hours you've played in their new levelling system, which is 6.5 hours. It doesn't matter that Steam says I've played 195 hours.

Even if it is a mod, I *should* be able to play my game. I payed for it years ago. *Years ago.*

This isn't something that I've just noticed. I've been trying to get into my games for freaking weeks now. It's a dense and complicated system, marred further by zero guidance which means I have to click on things through trial and error to try and unearth some detail on how I'm meant to play the game that I used to play a lot.

You can play it, just on rookie only servers. If you ran a server with certain limitations, and a player didn't exceed those limitations, should he be let in? Absolutely, no. You aren't entitled to something just because of how you feel.

Making your profile public might help, or it might not. There is a 'skill' tab in the server browser, you can sort servers by highest skill, join the highest skilled server you can with your problem to gain those hours.
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Date Posted: Apr 6, 2014 @ 1:56pm
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