100% Recycled Awesome Apr 3 @ 10:49pm
The One Thing Rookies Should Know before starting:
Map check is massively important. The C key brings up your map that lets you navigate maps, see what's going on and respond. Goes for aliens and marines.

C key is your friend!
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Wallet Monster Apr 4 @ 6:39am 
The maps are still a bit confusing even if you're glancing on and off. Sometimes walls (which are white lines) blend together so I end up going the wrong way thinking its a shortcut. It's all about how the map is designed.

We know how to open our maps and yes, rookies will learn to do so after around 2 or so hours.
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 4 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by Wallet Jr.:
wow, another useless post.

Let's try to assume Rookies aren't labotomized guinea pigs please. Let's try to be respectful towards our new players.

I have more than 7 times your hours in this game. I think I have way more experience in seeing what rookies do than you. Games are won and lost on map check.
Keijo Apr 4 @ 12:37pm 
The problem with the 1 euro byers is that most of have never seen an fps game. So they basicly have no idea how to play cod or clash of clans. So any advice is going to help them.

100% Recycled Awesome Apr 4 @ 1:23pm 
Originally posted by Keijo:
The problem with the 1 euro byers is that most of have never seen an fps game. So they basicly have no idea how to play cod or clash of clans. So any advice is going to help them.

Well the issue with ns2 is that it can't be played like a standard fps game. A 0-14 gorge can win the game if they're in the right spot at the right time. A 50-3 fade with a team that doesn't push will lose the game. Knowing where to hit and when is so vital and map check is a major part of that.
Keijo Apr 4 @ 2:10pm 
Yeah i know that but the problem is that they dont know how to play a standard fps game. So it wont help anything with ns2 basics.
Hooter Apr 4 @ 3:39pm 
I concede that this is wild speculation on my part, but I think most people looking at buying a 2 year old hard-core team-based FPS are going to have at least some idea of what an FPS is. Seriously dude, are you imagining that there is just a crowd of My Princess Barbie Pony players pouring into NS2 right now?

Letting people know how important it is to check the map in this game is a legitimately helpful tip. Thanks OP.
.exalt (Banned) Apr 4 @ 4:23pm 
Hold X, press concede!
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 4 @ 4:44pm 
Originally posted by Hooter:
I concede that this is wild speculation on my part, but I think most people looking at buying a 2 year old hard-core team-based FPS are going to have at least some idea of what an FPS is. Seriously dude, are you imagining that there is just a crowd of My Princess Barbie Pony players pouring into NS2 right now?

Letting people know how important it is to check the map in this game is a legitimately helpful tip. Thanks OP.

You would be surprised how many my little pony people play tf2. They even have pony mods. I don't get it but its there.

Keijo Apr 4 @ 4:47pm 
Well i've bought like millions games for 2-4e from steam and i havent even bothered to launch most of em, it's because you buy something for 1e you dont expect anything from it so it's something you launch when youre wathing tv and wondering that what the hell is this. And then these people end up as marines in ns2:P.
Wallet Monster Apr 4 @ 5:22pm 
Originally posted by 100% Recycled Awesome:
Originally posted by Wallet Jr.:
wow, another useless post.

Let's try to assume Rookies aren't labotomized guinea pigs please. Let's try to be respectful towards our new players.

I have more than 7 times your hours in this game. I think I have way more experience in seeing what rookies do than you. Games are won and lost on map check.

Yet more ♥♥♥♥ swinging by the better players.
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 4 @ 5:45pm 
Originally posted by Wallet Jr.:
Originally posted by 100% Recycled Awesome:

I have more than 7 times your hours in this game. I think I have way more experience in seeing what rookies do than you. Games are won and lost on map check.

Yet more ♥♥♥♥ swinging by the better players.

By this measure you should ignore advice from people in your industry because they're more experienced?

So if you just started a job you should ignore those who've done it for two decades and gotten to the top?

What kind of loony logic is that?!
Wallet Monster Apr 4 @ 6:04pm 
I never said we should ignore anything. I'm simply stating that pressing C isn't the best advice for new players. This game is CENTRALIZED around the minimap and holding keypoints is what wins you the game.

When I ask a player to capture Triad, they will ask in their head, where is triad? They will open up the map. The maps are actually easy to get lost in, so yes, a rookie will open up the map several times just ot check where they are at and how to get to the objective. My point is, THEY WILL ALWAYS CHECK IT.

So, why do sometimes rookies never look at the map or lose games because they aren't looking at the map? THEY ARE PREOCCUPIED WITH SOMETHING ELSE. Like what? The 3 Skulks they spotted, maybe they're fighting two fades and an onos. They are doing something much more important.

Why do I feel like your post doesn't help? Because I feel that there is better advice we could be giving them other than telling them to open the map. Newbies don't understand why most of the time, other than its important to get to where the comm wants you to be.

If your post was more lengthy and informative on why constantly opening your map, I probably wouldn't have posted that. You should at least take the time to explain more and why doing certain things are important. From the eyes of a rookie seeing someone posting common knowledge is worthless. It's like posting 'press back to block' in a fighting game, a new player might already know how to do this, but the better player hasn't explained anything about countering, timing, etc.

Do you see what I'm saying?
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Hooter Apr 4 @ 6:48pm 
Yeah Mr. Wallet has a point. Probably the most common, most fatal error a new player can make is to just walk off into a random direction and do his own thing. An experienced player might decide to do the same thing, but he'll make that decision within the context of what the other players are doing. So for instance putting up a sneaky phase gate outside the aliens main base while the rest of your team is attacking the aliens secondary base. In order to pull off a maneuver like that you need to have map awareness.

So maybe a better tip would be: Look at your map (C). Being aware of what is happening across the map is critical to working together as a team; which in turn is the key to winning matches.
Hooter Apr 4 @ 6:52pm 
Originally posted by Keijo:
Well i've bought like millions games for 2-4e from steam and i havent even bothered to launch most of em, it's because you buy something for 1e you dont expect anything from it so it's something you launch when youre wathing tv and wondering that what the hell is this. And then these people end up as marines in ns2:P.

I geuss we're just different people then. I can't think of a single game purchase I've made that wasn't the result of months of deliberation. I've made some mistakes (pre-ordering Simcity), but I've always made an effort to learn as much as possible about what I purchase before I do so. And, speaking as someone who has had to learn about budgeting the hard way, I suspect you have a lot to learn about spending money in general.
100% Recycled Awesome Apr 4 @ 6:59pm 
Lol minimap. Funny. Does anyone use that? No the game isn't centrazlied around something aliens don't have and many marines don't use.

And from my 750 hours, rookies don't check their maps. Most either follow a large group or just wander around aimlessly. They don't know what's going on percisely because they don't ever map check. You wouldn't believe the number of players who in text or mic chat say "thanks" after I say c key is map. I'm speaking from 750 hours of watching rookies get way better once they learn there is a map. I cannot agree that they don't check because they are occupied. They don't check either because they are unaware of the map key or don't feel its important. There are theards if rookies complaining about not being able to navigate and then being told about the map key. I'm not kidding. I wouldn't stress something this basic unless large numbers of new players simply were not doing it.

Hell how many times have we seen a rookie leave a base and then it gets attacked and they don't go back because they aren't map checking? All. The. Time.
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