Suchakra 03 月 4 日 @ 下午 10 時 06 分
Unplayable FPS
I was eagerly waiting for new mesa driver packages as I could not get NS2 to work with 9.2. Finally it worked but then...I get 1-2 fps. Nothing more to say :-/

My machine specs are :

Fedora 20 (3.13.5)
OpenGL Version : 3.0
Mesa 10.0.0

Intel HD 4000
i5-3317U
4GB

I know its not officially supported but I still have some hope. Any help would be appreciated.
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Nali Warcow - Mooing' 03 月 5 日 @ 上午 12 時 41 分 
Your problem is your laptop.

Its noit the IGPU, but your CPU.

Itso nly up to 2.6 GHZ when you really need at least 3.2+ GHZ.

I used 3570K's HD 4000 and I gotten no less then 40 FPS on medium.
Nali Warcow - Mooing' 03 月 5 日 @ 上午 7 時 05 分 
A Hipster 發表:
^You dont even know what youre talking about.
I dont?

His CPU is a laptop cpu.

You think thats not the problem? :/...
iF so your obviously wrong. If you say I dont know what I am talking about, please fill me in instead fo saying differently.

Alaso I notice this is your only post here. Do a quick search.

NS2's spark engine has been CPU bound for since ever.

I also notice you apparantly have 400 hours in a game. Does that mean you know more then me? ... lol

It also seems to me, by looking at your post, that you seem to judge "MORE CORES IS BETTER".
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LucK_NoT_SkiLL 03 月 5 日 @ 上午 7 時 30 分 
^ Yes yes and yes, but with his specs 1-2fps is well... impossible.
Nali Warcow - Mooing' 03 月 5 日 @ 上午 7 時 53 分 
LucK_NoT_SkiLL 發表:
^ Yes yes and yes, but with his specs 1-2fps is well... impossible.
not if he uses a third party fps program.
IronHorse 03 月 5 日 @ 上午 9 時 09 分 
Well there's three things :
You don't have a dedicated graphics card, as is officially required.
Linux has to run open gl which is still in beta for ns2 and doesn't perform as well
Your cpu could be a whole lot better..

Basically, your hardware is not what most would consider to be pc gaming hardware.
Type r_stats in the console to see whether you are gpu or cpu bound, by observing the "waiting for gpu" line
Suchakra 03 月 5 日 @ 上午 10 時 35 分 
Well, I am just a casual gamer. I mostly play Source games which run pretty OK and and I am quite happy with that. I have very less experience with any other engine but I seriously thought that 1-2 fps is quite impossible on my hardware. I was expecting something around 10-15 at least (even though thats unplayable but it would have been fun to see) Anyways, so I guess NS2 is not for me. :-/
Nali Warcow - Mooing' 03 月 5 日 @ 下午 10 時 42 分 
A Hipster 發表:
Okay, because you want it so badly.

So you were talking about 2.6Ghz is the problem. Ghz hasnt anything to do with it, but the cpu model. Who says a 3.2Ghz cpu is better than a 2.6Ghz cpu. I guess you.
You said the problem is the i5-3317u that causes 1 fps. It is a bottleneck, but that isnt the reason why it's running 1 fps. I'm running it with a i5-3337u (which is identically +0.1Ghz) on around 25 fps.

Ps. It was about why he gets only 1 fps and not that he has the worst cpu.
then show me your complete specs so I can comment. Wit hintel HD 4000 in laptop its a no go in general, to add that U model isnt the best either,..


Also dont know if youjr aware, but the U models often have lower speed :/ Its 30 % slower then the QM model...

Also, It cant be a bottleneck since he uses his ONBOARD,, and bottlenecking doesnt result in 1 FPS. It results in spikes and stuttering.
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Fran-war 03 月 6 日 @ 上午 11 時 11 分 
I think you forgot the

IronHorse 發表:
Well there's three things :
You don't have a dedicated graphics card, as is officially required.
Got a i5-2380p and a HD7850OC, and it runs @ 70 fps on high.
It's not only the CPU, it must be (mainly) due to the absence of a GPU.
Nali Warcow - Mooing' 03 月 6 日 @ 下午 12 時 50 分 
A Hipster 發表:
You still dont get it, dont you.
You researched so much about me, why dont you research better for these kind of topics.
I said:'Im running it with a i5-3337U which is identically, only +0.1 Ghz and I get around 25 fps.'

Ofcourse a desktop cpu is better than a ulv mobile cpu, mr. obvious. Because a ulv cpu uses a lot less power.

You are still not telling me why a 3.2 ghz cpu is better than a 2.6 ghz cpu.

You said: 'It isnt the Igpu but the cpu' that causes 1-2 fps. From what I can tell in your first post and the posts after that.

Did i just say that bottlenecking causes 1-2 fps? No, open your eyes and read better.



@TS, did you look in the power management options? Cuz maybe it's on power saving.

But I think it's just drivers and opengl not being optimal for ns2.
Perhaps you dont understand... that there are CPU heavy games? This is one of them. I run this on an I5 3570K stock..

A Hipster 發表:
You still dont get it, dont you.
You researched so much about me, why dont you research better for these kind of topics.
I said:'Im running it with a i5-3337U which is identically, only +0.1 Ghz and I get around 25 fps.'

Ofcourse a desktop cpu is better than a ulv mobile cpu, mr. obvious. Because a ulv cpu uses a lot less power.

You are still not telling me why a 3.2 ghz cpu is better than a 2.6 ghz cpu.

You said: 'It isnt the Igpu but the cpu' that causes 1-2 fps. From what I can tell in your first post and the posts after that.

Did i just say that bottlenecking causes 1-2 fps? No, open your eyes and read better.



@TS, did you look in the power management options? Cuz maybe it's on power saving.

But I think it's just drivers and opengl not being optimal for ns2.

I am sorry but what? Do you even realise his CPU



A Hipster 發表:
Okay, because you want it so badly.

So you were talking about 2.6Ghz is the problem. Ghz hasnt anything to do with it, but the cpu model. Who says a 3.2Ghz cpu is better than a 2.6Ghz cpu. I guess you.
You said the problem is the i5-3317u that causes 1 fps. It is a bottleneck, but that isnt the reason why it's running 1 fps. I'm running it with a i5-3337u (which is identically +0.1Ghz) on around 25 fps.

Ps. It was about why he gets only 1 fps and not that he has the worst cpu.
Go compare:
Phenom 995 vs your laptop?

Heck, Go compare, FX 4100 vs your laptop.

On games like:

NS2
PS2
Unreal Tournament 3 engine games.

Do that?

Garantee a 50+ FPS difference.
IronHorse 03 月 6 日 @ 下午 1 時 22 分 
Its relevant because the title of the thread is "Unplayable FPS" and as you just mentioned, at even a best case scenario with an overclocked high end CPU, that integrated gpu is still going to yield 20 fps.. a slideshow for most FPS PC gamers..

Here is a guy with an OCd i7 CPU with the same intel HD 4000 and getting 15 fps...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKNeFornYPU
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IronHorse 03 月 6 日 @ 下午 1 時 31 分 
He is running a NOTEBOOK processor hipster.. why are you even bringing up desktops?
And "Easily run NS2" means playable FPS to you, or just being able to run it??

Because i don't consider 20 fps as you mentioned to be playable... not even remotely.
He is getting 1-2 fps for the 3 reasons i already listed.
Fran-war 03 月 6 日 @ 下午 1 時 32 分 
My tests with a HD7850:
Normal mode, core @ 920 MHz and mem @ 1250 Mhz, around 60 fps in the menu
Low speed, core @ 460 MHz and mem @ 625 MHz, 30 fps in menu
O/C, core @ 1050 MHz and mem @ 1450, 75 fps in menu.

I would support that it's the fact he has no dedicated GPU.
IronHorse 03 月 6 日 @ 下午 2 時 41 分 
20 fps from 1 is a huge difference, sure. But 20 fps is still not "playable" by any standard.

Besides the fact that i have not seen anybody achieve even 40 fps in an actual NS2 game with an igpu.. I wouldn't say 40 fps is "playable" for most FPS games.. let alone a fast, competitive, twitch, niche and hardcore indie FPS..

Therefore yes, I do believe you need a dedicated GPU for this game.
But hey, if you get it to play and are happy with that degree of frame rate.. good on ya, enjoy. :)


swenor 03 月 6 日 @ 下午 11 時 48 分 
Lappies, especially those with no dedicated graphics card are for office - not for gaming.

A Hipster 發表:
cpu's and igpu's.
Damn you killed basic English here.
Hobocop 03 月 7 日 @ 上午 2 時 58 分 
Quite a bit of difference.

I'm just baffled that you actually believe that 20FPS in the absolute best circumstances is an acceptably playable framerate in a competitive team-based multiplayer game. Especially one like NS2.
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