Suchakra 2014년 3월 4일 오후 10시 06분
Unplayable FPS
I was eagerly waiting for new mesa driver packages as I could not get NS2 to work with 9.2. Finally it worked but then...I get 1-2 fps. Nothing more to say :-/

My machine specs are :

Fedora 20 (3.13.5)
OpenGL Version : 3.0
Mesa 10.0.0

Intel HD 4000
i5-3317U
4GB

I know its not officially supported but I still have some hope. Any help would be appreciated.
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Nali Warcow - Birthday' 2014년 3월 5일 오전 12시 41분 
Your problem is your laptop.

Its noit the IGPU, but your CPU.

Itso nly up to 2.6 GHZ when you really need at least 3.2+ GHZ.

I used 3570K's HD 4000 and I gotten no less then 40 FPS on medium.
Nali Warcow - Birthday' 2014년 3월 5일 오전 7시 05분 
A Hipster님이 먼저 게시:
^You dont even know what youre talking about.
I dont?

His CPU is a laptop cpu.

You think thats not the problem? :/...
iF so your obviously wrong. If you say I dont know what I am talking about, please fill me in instead fo saying differently.

Alaso I notice this is your only post here. Do a quick search.

NS2's spark engine has been CPU bound for since ever.

I also notice you apparantly have 400 hours in a game. Does that mean you know more then me? ... lol

It also seems to me, by looking at your post, that you seem to judge "MORE CORES IS BETTER".
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LucK_NoT_SkiLL 2014년 3월 5일 오전 7시 30분 
^ Yes yes and yes, but with his specs 1-2fps is well... impossible.
Nali Warcow - Birthday' 2014년 3월 5일 오전 7시 53분 
LucK_NoT_SkiLL님이 먼저 게시:
^ Yes yes and yes, but with his specs 1-2fps is well... impossible.
not if he uses a third party fps program.
IronHorse 2014년 3월 5일 오전 9시 09분 
Well there's three things :
You don't have a dedicated graphics card, as is officially required.
Linux has to run open gl which is still in beta for ns2 and doesn't perform as well
Your cpu could be a whole lot better..

Basically, your hardware is not what most would consider to be pc gaming hardware.
Type r_stats in the console to see whether you are gpu or cpu bound, by observing the "waiting for gpu" line
Suchakra 2014년 3월 5일 오전 10시 35분 
Well, I am just a casual gamer. I mostly play Source games which run pretty OK and and I am quite happy with that. I have very less experience with any other engine but I seriously thought that 1-2 fps is quite impossible on my hardware. I was expecting something around 10-15 at least (even though thats unplayable but it would have been fun to see) Anyways, so I guess NS2 is not for me. :-/
Nali Warcow - Birthday' 2014년 3월 5일 오후 10시 42분 
A Hipster님이 먼저 게시:
Okay, because you want it so badly.

So you were talking about 2.6Ghz is the problem. Ghz hasnt anything to do with it, but the cpu model. Who says a 3.2Ghz cpu is better than a 2.6Ghz cpu. I guess you.
You said the problem is the i5-3317u that causes 1 fps. It is a bottleneck, but that isnt the reason why it's running 1 fps. I'm running it with a i5-3337u (which is identically +0.1Ghz) on around 25 fps.

Ps. It was about why he gets only 1 fps and not that he has the worst cpu.
then show me your complete specs so I can comment. Wit hintel HD 4000 in laptop its a no go in general, to add that U model isnt the best either,..


Also dont know if youjr aware, but the U models often have lower speed :/ Its 30 % slower then the QM model...

Also, It cant be a bottleneck since he uses his ONBOARD,, and bottlenecking doesnt result in 1 FPS. It results in spikes and stuttering.
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Fran-war 2014년 3월 6일 오전 11시 11분 
I think you forgot the

IronHorse님이 먼저 게시:
Well there's three things :
You don't have a dedicated graphics card, as is officially required.
Got a i5-2380p and a HD7850OC, and it runs @ 70 fps on high.
It's not only the CPU, it must be (mainly) due to the absence of a GPU.
Nali Warcow - Birthday' 2014년 3월 6일 오후 12시 50분 
A Hipster님이 먼저 게시:
You still dont get it, dont you.
You researched so much about me, why dont you research better for these kind of topics.
I said:'Im running it with a i5-3337U which is identically, only +0.1 Ghz and I get around 25 fps.'

Ofcourse a desktop cpu is better than a ulv mobile cpu, mr. obvious. Because a ulv cpu uses a lot less power.

You are still not telling me why a 3.2 ghz cpu is better than a 2.6 ghz cpu.

You said: 'It isnt the Igpu but the cpu' that causes 1-2 fps. From what I can tell in your first post and the posts after that.

Did i just say that bottlenecking causes 1-2 fps? No, open your eyes and read better.



@TS, did you look in the power management options? Cuz maybe it's on power saving.

But I think it's just drivers and opengl not being optimal for ns2.
Perhaps you dont understand... that there are CPU heavy games? This is one of them. I run this on an I5 3570K stock..

A Hipster님이 먼저 게시:
You still dont get it, dont you.
You researched so much about me, why dont you research better for these kind of topics.
I said:'Im running it with a i5-3337U which is identically, only +0.1 Ghz and I get around 25 fps.'

Ofcourse a desktop cpu is better than a ulv mobile cpu, mr. obvious. Because a ulv cpu uses a lot less power.

You are still not telling me why a 3.2 ghz cpu is better than a 2.6 ghz cpu.

You said: 'It isnt the Igpu but the cpu' that causes 1-2 fps. From what I can tell in your first post and the posts after that.

Did i just say that bottlenecking causes 1-2 fps? No, open your eyes and read better.



@TS, did you look in the power management options? Cuz maybe it's on power saving.

But I think it's just drivers and opengl not being optimal for ns2.

I am sorry but what? Do you even realise his CPU



A Hipster님이 먼저 게시:
Okay, because you want it so badly.

So you were talking about 2.6Ghz is the problem. Ghz hasnt anything to do with it, but the cpu model. Who says a 3.2Ghz cpu is better than a 2.6Ghz cpu. I guess you.
You said the problem is the i5-3317u that causes 1 fps. It is a bottleneck, but that isnt the reason why it's running 1 fps. I'm running it with a i5-3337u (which is identically +0.1Ghz) on around 25 fps.

Ps. It was about why he gets only 1 fps and not that he has the worst cpu.
Go compare:
Phenom 995 vs your laptop?

Heck, Go compare, FX 4100 vs your laptop.

On games like:

NS2
PS2
Unreal Tournament 3 engine games.

Do that?

Garantee a 50+ FPS difference.
IronHorse 2014년 3월 6일 오후 1시 22분 
Its relevant because the title of the thread is "Unplayable FPS" and as you just mentioned, at even a best case scenario with an overclocked high end CPU, that integrated gpu is still going to yield 20 fps.. a slideshow for most FPS PC gamers..

Here is a guy with an OCd i7 CPU with the same intel HD 4000 and getting 15 fps...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKNeFornYPU
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IronHorse 2014년 3월 6일 오후 1시 31분 
He is running a NOTEBOOK processor hipster.. why are you even bringing up desktops?
And "Easily run NS2" means playable FPS to you, or just being able to run it??

Because i don't consider 20 fps as you mentioned to be playable... not even remotely.
He is getting 1-2 fps for the 3 reasons i already listed.
Fran-war 2014년 3월 6일 오후 1시 32분 
My tests with a HD7850:
Normal mode, core @ 920 MHz and mem @ 1250 Mhz, around 60 fps in the menu
Low speed, core @ 460 MHz and mem @ 625 MHz, 30 fps in menu
O/C, core @ 1050 MHz and mem @ 1450, 75 fps in menu.

I would support that it's the fact he has no dedicated GPU.
IronHorse 2014년 3월 6일 오후 2시 41분 
20 fps from 1 is a huge difference, sure. But 20 fps is still not "playable" by any standard.

Besides the fact that i have not seen anybody achieve even 40 fps in an actual NS2 game with an igpu.. I wouldn't say 40 fps is "playable" for most FPS games.. let alone a fast, competitive, twitch, niche and hardcore indie FPS..

Therefore yes, I do believe you need a dedicated GPU for this game.
But hey, if you get it to play and are happy with that degree of frame rate.. good on ya, enjoy. :)


PersonaNonGrata 2014년 3월 6일 오후 11시 48분 
Lappies, especially those with no dedicated graphics card are for office - not for gaming.

A Hipster님이 먼저 게시:
cpu's and igpu's.
Damn you killed basic English here.
Hobocop 2014년 3월 7일 오전 2시 58분 
Quite a bit of difference.

I'm just baffled that you actually believe that 20FPS in the absolute best circumstances is an acceptably playable framerate in a competitive team-based multiplayer game. Especially one like NS2.
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