na 2月5日下午3:30
This game needs matchmaking or at least skill divisions.
Natural selection 2 needs matchmaking or something similar. Most games are over before 5 minutes have passed. Most games have 2-4 extreme newbies and 2-4 extremely experienced players. You might argue that this game doesn't have enough players for something like match making. Even something as simple as three skill divisions would make a massive difference. Sub 100 hour players, 100-500 hour players, and 500 hour+ players? I don't know what the best solution is, but something would be wildly better than the nothing that is in place currently.

A ton of players have simply quit playing this game because of the wholly lack of team balancing. When players are going 20/1 kill/death ratio, you know you have a serious problem.

The people who made this game have claimed to be working on it for maybe close to a year now. This is something that should have been done on release to retail.

The 30 minute+ game length is so much fun, but so rare.
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Stark 2月5日下午3:46 
This topic has been - and continues to be - discussed on the official forums. For some of the most recent and seemingly most productive information look here:

http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/134109/proposal-for-abuse-proof-skill-system/p1


For some other information, look here:

http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/133821/skill-level-and-official-and-nonofficial-servers/p1
Hooter 2月5日下午8:41 
Well, I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say most games are over in 5 minutes. I don't have global stats or anything, but I think most of my games are around 15 minutes. Sometimes you get base rushed and everyone has a laugh, and sometimes you get epic epic matches that just don't end.

I personally like how uneven the matches can be. I played against someone tonight who had something like 40/2 k/d. It was pretty frustrating because we had control of the whole map. But we couldn't finish the game because he just kept mopping the floor with us. That was pretty fun, and it adds a certain element of unpredictability that I appreciate more over having every match being perfectly boringly balanced.
na 2月6日上午1:34 
By 'over in 5 minutes' I mean, it can be extremely clear that the teams are insanely mismatched and that one team doesn't stand a chance over another. Most of those games end either by a team conceding or by a destroyed base. The problem is, it can be kind of hard to destroy a hive/chair really early with exception to the skulk rush (rush, as in most of the team, basically immediately from the start, rushes to make this move, not push but rush) that wipes out infantry portals.

Games that last 15 minutes probably shouldn't have gone over 10 minutes. Most of the time, for myself, a game extends into 15 minutes but was clearly over in 5 is merely because a small number of individuals either refuse or don't understand (language maybe?) how to concede. When I say, over in 5 minutes, I may as well say it was over before it started, there was no chance that the team that lost could have ever won.

It's great that you had fun getting trounced upon by one guy, but I think you, hooter, are missing the point. Some argue that you get better by playing people who are better than you. I'd like to expand upon that. You get better by playing people of equal skill or slightly better than you. Many games are basically a bulldoze, you don't get better when you get bulldozed, when the game ends you uninstall natural selection 2 because nearly every match you've ever played goes that way. This is a very important idea to understand.

I am not exaggerating, I know lots of other people experience this, you just mentioned experiencing a lack of an even match yourself. Severely uneven teams, over and over and over. Again, I am glad you see a light side of a severely uneven match, but I am sure that the newbies that got brutally slaughtered over and over aren't in love with loading up another match of natural selection 2 (extremely important idea). The point of matchmaking is to create competition. Most games are a bulldoze, not a match, not competition.
Hooter 2月6日上午1:52 
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I've played plenty of matches that feel like they're over in the first 5 minutes and the other team is clearly more skilled, but then they go on for another 10 minutes. But I've also played matches where it feels like we're losing badly in the first 5 minutes but then go on to tough it out and make a glorious comeback. And that possibility is one of my favorite things about this game. So like I said, I like the unpredictability of pub servers. It can be frustrating to go up against someone who's clearly much better then you, but my outlook is mostly just that I need to play better. Mostly.

But I get that people can get pretty turned off by this. I suppose some kind of matchmaking service can only be a benefit as it gives players a way of controlling the games difficulty. But it would be nice if they did add some matchmaking service if you want to play without filtering. I also think that they should just get rid of the option to choose which side you play on and completely randomize the waiting room. Team stacking truly does suck.
Cadarn 2月7日上午2:49 
OP is correct. Players are quitting in droves because it just isn't fun to go up against one or two competitive players who nonstop dominate the server. New players are quitting within days if not hours. This game is dying.
[#OMEGA] - K2 2月7日上午3:19 
Wait for matchmaking (next patch) or play on servers with ELO Teambalance.
Also, hours != skill.
zverozvero 2月7日上午5:27 
hr!=skill but close one. You either got some iron or take pleasure in pain and humiliation if you stayed in NS2 for lots of hrs. Or you love setting so much you joy loading screen allready ;)
And yep - till problem is actively there and people are eager to play this topic is good for game developement.
Letchy 2月7日下午2:14 
I am really not enjoying this game... I've tried the Combat mode. I've tried playing the normal modes... I just can't do anything because it seems the aliens do so much more damage to me, I cannot maneaveur for anything as a marine and backpedal a whole lot. I've quit the game twice so far, but I know it has potential so I try to keep on playing every now and again. However, I am close to uninstalling and putting NS2 to rest.

I've tried countless times to get better, but it seems I am not improving one bit when I am killed as soon as I encounter a marine/alien player...
Stark 2月7日下午2:26 
引用自 Letchy
I am really not enjoying this game... I've tried the Combat mode. I've tried playing the normal modes... I just can't do anything because it seems the aliens do so much more damage to me, I cannot maneaveur for anything as a marine and backpedal a whole lot. I've quit the game twice so far, but I know it has potential so I try to keep on playing every now and again. However, I am close to uninstalling and putting NS2 to rest.

I've tried countless times to get better, but it seems I am not improving one bit when I am killed as soon as I encounter a marine/alien player...

Hey don't worry man, you just need more practice. 7 hours is a drop in the bucket as far as play time goes. You'll need to play ~100 hours before you start to get a decent grasp of the game. Hopefully you stick around.

Hint: don't backpedal at all. It is extremely slow. Try walking a little to either your right or left and then strafe jump in that same direction. This can also work for jumping backwards, you just need to turn to one side or the other first, and then strafe jump in the direction that is "away" from the aggressor. It will create greater separation between you and the alien. This will take practice to master.
zverozvero 2月7日下午2:33 
引用自 Letchy
I am really not enjoying this game... I've tried the Combat mode. I've tried playing the normal modes... I just can't do anything because it seems the aliens do so much more damage to me, I cannot maneaveur for anything as a marine and backpedal a whole lot. I've quit the game twice so far, but I know it has potential so I try to keep on playing every now and again. However, I am close to uninstalling and putting NS2 to rest.

I've tried countless times to get better, but it seems I am not improving one bit when I am killed as soon as I encounter a marine/alien player...
I can try to give you kinda of advise (sry if it's obvious or known and i just salted your wound... it just kinda helped me a lot...) as a skulk - on empty map learn bit of wall-jump aceleration while holding strafe button at same direction (prevent speed loss). And not stick to fights - ram through marine lines if you think they dont look straight at you, land 1 (2 if lucky) bites, not slowing down, then run away in to their part of map to bite some structures or just wall-jumping run forward. It keeps you live for longer, make rines waste ammo, and chase you backward... This feels realy good even if oponents are bad-sses. They think you'll stuck and they 'll evade and easy kill, when you're allready bypassed them :) Dont know same fun way for rines though :( When Supermen bite me down in 2 bites... they do it. No speed advantage for rines...
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Letchy 2月7日下午2:34 
引用自 Stark
Hey don't worry man, you just need more practice. 7 hours is a drop in the bucket as far as play time goes. You'll need to play ~100 hours before you start to get a decent grasp of the game. Hopefully you stick around.

Hint: don't backpedal at all. It is extremely slow. Try walking a little to either your right or left and then strafe jump in that same direction. This can also work for jumping backwards, you just need to turn to one side or the other first, and then strafe jump in the direction that is "away" from the aggressor. It will create greater separation between you and the alien. This will take practice to master.
Hmm. I try, I really do try but my tracking skills are pretty bad as well as my movement with both factions. For instance, I always get snuck up on (I am wearing a headset) and should use the map more. My aim is very sporadic where I tend to jerk and not aim smoothly for example. I'm playing Combat right now and doing terribly.
Ghoul 2月7日下午2:43 
引用自 Letchy
引用自 Stark
Hey don't worry man, you just need more practice. 7 hours is a drop in the bucket as far as play time goes. You'll need to play ~100 hours before you start to get a decent grasp of the game. Hopefully you stick around.

Hint: don't backpedal at all. It is extremely slow. Try walking a little to either your right or left and then strafe jump in that same direction. This can also work for jumping backwards, you just need to turn to one side or the other first, and then strafe jump in the direction that is "away" from the aggressor. It will create greater separation between you and the alien. This will take practice to master.
Hmm. I try, I really do try but my tracking skills are pretty bad as well as my movement with both factions. For instance, I always get snuck up on (I am wearing a headset) and should use the map more. My aim is very sporadic where I tend to jerk and not aim smoothly for example. I'm playing Combat right now and doing terribly.

Combat kinda is a good way to learn and improve your movement skills as you don't losse everything once you die, so keep playing combat for a while than go back to the normal game and you will see that then it becomes ways easier for you to survive the early game/ fight off any alien with standard gear ;)

Also i would suggest you to play at a rookie only server for the start so you can face some to you even opponents before going against those 1k playtime vets.

A little extra tipp ( helped me back then): Find and use a good custom xhairs, it can really help alot :)
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Letchy 2月7日下午2:47 
Rookie servers are lies, that is what I have learned. There is always a couple of vets there just stomping everyone. It just is not fun to me at all. If it is going to take me 100+ hours just to get used to the game I'm afraid I probably won't be playing long, to me having 0 fun for that long just isn't worth my time.
Ghoul 2月7日下午2:49 
引用自 Letchy
Rookie servers are lies, that is what I have learned. There is always a couple of vets there just stomping everyone. It just is not fun to me at all. If it is going to take me 100+ hours just to get used to the game I'm afraid I probably won't be playing long, to me having 0 fun for that long just isn't worth my time.

There are rookie friendly and rookie only servers (e.g in US KKG and in EU german-slaughterhouse). And yes stay away from the official and any other not atleast modded (Shine, Dak = Admin Mods) community server. That those server have the "rookie friendly" tag is kind of a joke XD

NS2 is a game you can enjoy most at a good server with friendly and even skilled ppl. Try to find such a server and stick to it ;)
最后由 Ghoul 编辑于; 2月7日下午2:52
Letchy 2月7日下午3:12 
I see that now. I guess I was just frustrated when I said they are ALL lies. It seems like rookie only servers are mostly few and far between when it comes to the amount of players in them - or they are just full, preventing anyone else from joining the fray.

I guess you're right about the last part though. I was playing with a friend who used to play NS2 competitively (he has over 700 hours invested, nowhere near your nearly 1900 though haha) and he was trying to help me... It didn't really work out, as we were in a random game and he couldn't do a hell of a lot. The people in the server were also obvious vets too, and I were the only rookie there yet they didn't rage at me for being terrible - one even said don't worry and no need to say sorry after I had done so. The community seems great so far (for the most part), it's just my willpower is almost non-existant.
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