Turiko May 25, 2014 @ 9:25am
Tried this game today...
...and am pretty disappointed. I got it from a sale a while back, but all i've gotten is two hours of annoyance and no desire to try it again.

I find the asymmetric sides interesting, but it doesn't feel very balanced. I've joined 3 different games, each time the marines were being slaughtered. I haven't even been able to play as alien yet, the team was always full.

As marine though, i feel entirely useless. I have a basic gun, that can not kill unless i hit on target for multiple seconds - and every alien is more agile than me, easily able to circle around me so i can't hit. The times i do hit, the enemy just seems to shrug it off, then proceed to kill me in two seconds flat. There's fancy, more powerful guns, that i can only get after waiting for minutes. Then i die and am stuck with the useless weapon again.

What am i missing here? I've heard a lot of good things about the game before, yet all i feel is being useless whenever i play - like shooting toothpicks while getting near instakilled.
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Azure Zero May 25, 2014 @ 10:14am 
The game does take some getting used to,
I did get killed a lot when I started (not as bad as now),
This game does require thinking on, not only the commander, but soldiers as well.
personal upgrades cost res so you have to spend it wisely,
Shotguns are a good all rounder, but have suck range.
If you wait for the jetpack before you upgrade your gun, you'll find yourself dying less often thanks to increased mobility and speed.
But you also have to know when to pull back and heal up, don't always count on the comm to give med packs.
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100% Recycled Awesome May 25, 2014 @ 10:50am 
There appears to be a bunch of new players and most of them gravitate towards what they know, aka a gun. Thus marines will fill up with rookies leaving the veterans to go Aliens and its a forgone conclusion after that. A veteran Alien team will annihilate a rookie marine.

Part of the reason why you're not lasting long is because you're new and likely treating the game like any other FPS, namely where the other team has guns. As a marine you have to constantly check ceilings, walls, glance behind you and work in a team. Very few players can be effective solo. It appears you're also standing still when being attacked if they can easily circle around you, which is a classic sign you're taking the lessons of other FPS, namely a stable firing position and using it is NS2 which doesn't work at all as it lets the aliens kill you faster. I can generally ward off a a Fade with jumping and dodging while pumping them full of lead where rookies just stand there and die.

Check out my rookie guide in the guides section. I put a lot of useful rookie tips for people starting out.
Turiko May 25, 2014 @ 11:18am 
On the jetpacks: i can't wait. The games i finished ended before we got anything like that. Similarly, i know there's mechs and have only seen them in pregame (apparently that's a good time to try out different weapons). Problem with "spending it wisely" to me seems to be that it takes ages to get, and a few seconds to lose it. I can't spend resources wisely if i get so little that i only have one actual choice, the shotgun.

Originally posted by 100% Recycled Awesome:
Part of the reason why you're not lasting long is because you're new and likely treating the game like any other FPS, namely where the other team has guns. As a marine you have to constantly check ceilings, walls, glance behind you and work in a team. Very few players can be effective solo. It appears you're also standing still when being attacked if they can easily circle around you, which is a classic sign you're taking the lessons of other FPS, namely a stable firing position and using it is NS2 which doesn't work at all as it lets the aliens kill you faster. I can generally ward off a a Fade with jumping and dodging while pumping them full of lead where rookies just stand there and die.

Check out my rookie guide in the guides section. I put a lot of useful rookie tips for people starting out.

Actually, i learned the movement and usually strafe while firing, since the game does not give any bonus for "stable position" - it follows the old, static kind of accuracy. Yet, i do get circled simply because of the inherent slowness of humans vs any aliens, along with small size this means they're very hard to hit. The smallest aliens and the flying ones are the worst - the other ones are ok to shoot at but generally i can't kill them because they deal more damage than me.

I'll check out the guide, and maybe i'll try the game again later.
Sandshark May 25, 2014 @ 12:54pm 
You have to make sure you have the highest frames per second as possible. Turn all graphics to low, etc. Really helps. Higher the fps the higher your survival/win chance.
RaZDaZ May 25, 2014 @ 2:36pm 
Another rookie who thinks he has a firm understanding of balance and mechanics. Game is very well balanced I might add, even the competitive scene would agree on this.
Virck May 25, 2014 @ 5:17pm 
For me the Marines are always full, and I find playing as alien far too easy. (I try to play Marine as often as possible for the challenge)
RaZDaZ May 25, 2014 @ 6:18pm 
Both sides are really hard to play at a high level. Versus good players, aliens are probably harder to play because of the sheer accuracy of the high level. Learning to understand how much damage good marine players can do is quite difficult. Even the best fade players in the world can struggle vs just a single rifle marine.
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Goliath Dreamteam Vietnam May 25, 2014 @ 6:58pm 
Sound like a new player who not go Trainning mode and jump right in play with pros
Turiko May 26, 2014 @ 8:30am 
Originally posted by Goliath Dreamteam Vietnam:
Sound like a new player who not go Trainning mode and jump right in play with pros

Sounds like a person trying to berate someone based on assumptions. Yes i am new, i went through training mode. I tried playing VS bots, but they simply stand there not doing anything. I then ended up (after hopping by two other ones that were russian) in the only non-full/non-empty server that was both English and welcoming newbies.

If a server that's advertised for newbies is filled with pros, then i don't think i'm at fault for going in there.
100% Recycled Awesome May 26, 2014 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by Turiko:
Originally posted by Goliath Dreamteam Vietnam:
Sound like a new player who not go Trainning mode and jump right in play with pros

Sounds like a person trying to berate someone based on assumptions. Yes i am new, i went through training mode. I tried playing VS bots, but they simply stand there not doing anything. I then ended up (after hopping by two other ones that were russian) in the only non-full/non-empty server that was both English and welcoming newbies.

If a server that's advertised for newbies is filled with pros, then i don't think i'm at fault for going in there.

Bots are dumb. Marines have literal autoaim and aliens kind of suck. Once bot marines get shotguns, it's game over for bot aliens.

Rookie friendly servers are a lie. You want rookie only servers that kick people with over 50 hours.
Keijo May 26, 2014 @ 11:14am 
Hey turiko you aren't doing anything wrong you just need to have a certain filter on in your head when you play ns2.

People are not nice and they will stack horribly very often, if your team gets totally stomped every round on a server theres nothing you can do about it, just switch to another green server and try if its more even.

Also while ns2 looks like tf2 with funny flying things it's kinda deceptive since theres alot more skill involved on every class.

#sixty May 26, 2014 @ 3:20pm 
Originally posted by Turiko:
What am i missing here?

Experience.

PS: Learn how to backwards strafe jump to dodge Alien attacks.
Last edited by #sixty; May 26, 2014 @ 3:21pm
Hobocop May 26, 2014 @ 3:28pm 
You're missing the game sense and map awareness to predict enemy movements so that you can better position yourself in each engagement. Having good tracking aim helps (turn down your mouse sensitivity for more accurate tracking), but it's also about positioning and being in the right place at the right time so that you at least attempt to fight where you can leverage your ranged advantage as often as possible.

This also assumes that people on your team aren't going to bunch up like idiots and block each other's lines of fire while limiting your maneuverability. Try to keep distance from your allies, but still be where you can see them to cover them. It's easier to shoot the aliens that are going for your friends instead of you, since they aren't actively trying to avoid your bullets.
Last edited by Hobocop; May 26, 2014 @ 3:32pm
Cannon FodderAUS May 26, 2014 @ 9:15pm 
Sad to hear you didn't have a good time with the game. As others have mentioned, this game is very unforgiving (the RTS part), so if you lose early engagements, and don't get your resources up, your upgrades (shotgun, weapons, armro) are delayed. It is definately a very thinking fps - rushing head long into any where is going to get you killed easily (particularly against an experience alien team). I had played 200 hours before I would consider myself competent (I am serious - I sucked at both sides til I played that much).

In the marine side, you need to be aware of corners and ceilings (aliens can hide there). The really good players will just be around the corner and use sound to track you. I would definately checkout some guides people have put out. Also, the other thing is the game gets better if you persist. One of the thing I enjoy most about this game is the need for team work and communication to win. Be it mic (preferred) or type. You and your team need to communicate. There isn't a game out there atm, that require this amount of communication in order to be successful. Sure there is mic in CS, but individual skill really carry the day there.
Stick with it if you can. you won't regret it.
Kinetic Butt Blaster May 27, 2014 @ 4:41am 
It's sort of funny, because i booted the game up after not playing for about 6 months, joined a marine team, killed both alien lerks (flying units) and ended in our victory like 16kills and 2 deaths, and laughed because I typically main aliens.

it's really depends on the skill level of your opponents, still. I mean, i can join a non-rookie game and go even, or negative, and die a bunch... I usually do. Or I could join a rookie server and constantly smash the game... which I did (unknowingly) since I joined a friends in progress game. You can't really base the game after 2 hours of play. I can go and play 2 horrible horrible league of legends games and say that game sucks, but that's not (objectively) true... it was only 2 games. So, meh, give it another go in my opinion and work on your aim is all i can say :)
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