rojimboo Aug 25, 2013 @ 3:03pm
Regarding the petition...
I was about to sign but then realised I wasn't sure what it was I was signing.

Can someone clarify what this petition is about with regard to HOMM VI?

Because as I understand it, the 3rd party DRM that Vicarious mentions must be Uplay. But to bypass Uplay completely you can just play in offline mode without having to connect in the first place (unlike Steam btw). You miss out on all Dynasty traits and weapons and other goodies but they are kinda imba and some are (still) broken like mana weapons and Arachne's life leech so whatever right, as long as you've logged in at least once to your Uplay game.

Or, do we want to get rid of all these server-integrated features, redesign the game (whose developers left already btw) to be offline only and still get all the goodies? I think it's safe to say that that's not going to happen.

Or is this calling for the removal of the initial serial key activation in Uplay, for the Steam version only? Now this is the only sensible petition I can think of regarding HOMM6. I can understand that Ubi have Steam as only one of their distributors - after all there is the retail version, and the non-Steam digital version to think of, but Ubi should realise how popular Steam is and will be in the future. To save grief they should at least let Steam handle the initial binding and offline game part. Then, if people want the goodies, they can bind the game to a Uplay account. This would solve a lot of user's problems I believe.

Also, I'm not sure why non-Uplay games sold on Steam should be boycotted. One, I like them, two it is counterproductive as the message sent is that the version without UbiDRM is bad too. I thought those were the good ones, like say Rayman Origins or AC1. We shouldn't paint with such broad strokes.
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=(e)= tehface Aug 25, 2013 @ 10:20pm 
wel they can't remove the drm because the ubi drm is intergrated into the game, so they would have to re-code it, 'sides people need to stop ♥♥♥♥♥ing, it actually works, and its a good game, if you don't like it, don't play it, that simple :D
Statue Aug 25, 2013 @ 11:17pm 
Originally posted by tehface:
wel they can't remove the drm because the ubi drm is intergrated into the game

I doubt it's beyond Ubi's capabilities to remove their own DRM; others have managed to do so just fine after all, and it took very little time to do.
Last edited by Statue; Aug 25, 2013 @ 11:19pm
CalmerThanYouAre Aug 26, 2013 @ 8:28am 
Originally posted by tehface:
wel they can't remove the drm because the ubi drm is intergrated into the game, so they would have to re-code it, 'sides people need to stop ♥♥♥♥♥ing, it actually works, and its a good game, if you don't like it, don't play it, that simple :D

You´re a liar.
Simple as that. Nothing works, you´re permanently getting kicked out of the game without warning. Or you can´t use the "conflux" and without that you´re not able to use the whole game.
It´s bugged from the launcher to the game-core. Freezes, glitches and bugs bigger than an elephant.
And then they want !YOU! (the customer who has paid well for that stuff) to grade back your graphics driver and crap like that.

So, as stated before: You´re lying. Why, i dont know.
rojimboo Aug 26, 2013 @ 8:40am 
Originally posted by CalmerThanYouAre:
Originally posted by tehface:
wel they can't remove the drm because the ubi drm is intergrated into the game, so they would have to re-code it, 'sides people need to stop ♥♥♥♥♥ing, it actually works, and its a good game, if you don't like it, don't play it, that simple :D

You´re a liar.
Simple as that. Nothing works, you´re permanently getting kicked out of the game without warning. Or you can´t use the "conflux" and without that you´re not able to use the whole game.
It´s bugged from the launcher to the game-core. Freezes, glitches and bugs bigger than an elephant.
And then they want !YOU! (the customer who has paid well for that stuff) to grade back your graphics driver and crap like that.

So, as stated before: You´re lying. Why, i dont know.

Am I lying too?

Is my Steam profile lying too?

Is GabeN lying too?

Where does it end?
Vicarious Aug 26, 2013 @ 7:00pm 
Sorry it took me a few days to get back to you Rojimboo, work has kept me very busy.

Anyway with regards to your post. You might be shocked but I very much agree with you. When I created the post I was frustrated with Ubisoft, and didn't want to be extremely specific.

I knew that by keeping the petition's message short and sweet I would be more likely to attract a large number of supporters. If I could go back in time I would have more likely suggested to have only HoMMVI removed from the steam catalog until it was properly patched. Since then I have been given the Assassin's Creed games by a friend, and I've had no issues at all with them. So it obviously isn't Uplay itself that is causing the majority of the trouble. After doing more research it is the coding done on HOMMVI.

I think you have an incredible idea right here by the way.

Originally posted by Rojimboo:
is this calling for the removal of the initial serial key activation in Uplay, for the Steam version only? Now this is the only sensible petition I can think of regarding HOMM6. I can understand that Ubi have Steam as only one of their distributors - after all there is the retail version, and the non-Steam digital version to think of, but Ubi should realise how popular Steam is and will be in the future. To save grief they should at least let Steam handle the initial binding and offline game part. Then, if people want the goodies, they can bind the game to a Uplay account.

I think that this would be the best resolution that the two companies could possibly come to.

In all honesty I have thought of amending the petition to reflect these new changes, but that would really invalidate all the signatures up to this point. I've talked with friends and decided to leave the current petition thread as is.

If you've got any ideas I'd love to know. If you wanted to create a new petition that reflects the ideas I quoted you on, I'd gladly be the first to sign.
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rojimboo Aug 27, 2013 @ 1:27am 
To be honest, if back in May I had been locked out of a game that barely worked if you managed to login to both Uplay and Conflux, I would be pretty upset too and look for some outlet to convey those feelings. And thanks for getting back to me.

I'm glad you have thought abouth those issues - that in itself makes me want to sign the petition - however in its current state I still disagree with boycotting all Ubi games. Mainly because I like them and buying a game is the only option for me to play it. The other route is just unthinkable as this is my favourite past time and I don't want to harm PC exclusive gaming anymore than people are already harming it due to piracy.

Also, I think one petition is enough, and it could never compete with yours ;) and I fully understand you cannot change yours now with what a few thousand signatures already. So I think this is where these ideas will remain - a random Steam forum thread - an outlet for frustrated gamers.
JoxerHD Aug 30, 2013 @ 1:18pm 
The whole petition confuses me, the game was originally released with Uplay as its main DRM, then steam decided to sell it aswel, meaning that in this case steam is the 3rd party DRM.
Fire Walk With Me Aug 31, 2013 @ 7:22am 
Its not like Ubisoft or Steam care one way or another about the petition. You are essentially signing nothing. Valve cares about money not about Ubi's DRM.
Crowseye Oct 2, 2013 @ 5:23pm 
Regardless of any of this the petition serves a good purpose, for HOMM itself, or any other Ubi game that uses Uplay. It's a good indicator for Ubisoft to see what not to do next time. And perhaps to be a bit more careful about how they release games in the future.

One way or the other it's a good way to, in the least, make an effort to solve future problems.

So, to completely condemn it simply because it may not solve one immediate problem, doesn't reflect on what future problems it may help to prevent.

A bad product should be petitioned. As a consumer, you should have the right to provide your feedback. And that's exactly what the petition is in essence.
JoxerHD Oct 2, 2013 @ 10:11pm 
Originally posted by Crowseye:
Regardless of any of this the petition serves a good purpose, for HOMM itself, or any other Ubi game that uses Uplay. It's a good indicator for Ubisoft to see what not to do next time. And perhaps to be a bit more careful about how they release games in the future.

One way or the other it's a good way to, in the least, make an effort to solve future problems.

So, to completely condemn it simply because it may not solve one immediate problem, doesn't reflect on what future problems it may help to prevent.

A bad product should be petitioned. As a consumer, you should have the right to provide your feedback. And that's exactly what the petition is in essence.

Your post "assumes" that UPlay is the 3rd party DRM here, which... it is not, for some reason alot of people cant get it in their heads that in the latets set of games UPlay was integrated from the beginning, and that Steam in this case is the 3rd party DRM.
These problems are moot anyways, since you can register the game and play it through Uplay anyways instead of using Steam->Uplay.
Crowseye Oct 4, 2013 @ 4:49am 
For me it matters not what order it goes in. Uplay with or without steam is a problem for me and many other comsumers. And not all of us have the time, or access to research materials before purchasing every single product we buy from the many companies that we purchase things from. Most of the Uplay products I have purchased were not on steam. Yet, Uplay still caused me nothing but headaches. Most of these products didn't have a "warning: bloatware" posted on them either.

It shouldn't bother you, from the outside, that people petition bloatware like Uplay. If you would like to help people refine their criteria for an acceptable solution, do that. Otherwise, you're just being pointlessly critical, and behaving benevolently whilst you also exhibit "useless" behavior.

Pointing your finger at people and calling them stupid is also a pretty moot practice.
rojimboo Oct 7, 2013 @ 9:27am 
Speaking of the petition - what happened to it?

Also - anyone who thinks Uplay is the major problem with this game is quite wrong. The game itself was broken for most of the time of its release for Nvidia users, nevermind the dozens of serious gameplay bugs like the dynasty weapons mana cost bug. Uplay has nothing to do with those. So at least rage at the right target - Ubisoft and the original developers of the game.
Crowseye Oct 7, 2013 @ 5:32pm 
Just search for the petition in steam forums. They made a topic that shows where they moved it to. It wasn't removed by steam or anything, they just decided to bring it to a bigger audience on the web and remove it from steam. Actually, I'll just not be lazy and search it for ya, just a sec...
Tom Is The Best Robot Oct 7, 2013 @ 6:11pm 
Originally posted by rojimboo:
Speaking of the petition - what happened to it?

Also - anyone who thinks Uplay is the major problem with this game is quite wrong. The game itself was broken for most of the time of its release for Nvidia users, nevermind the dozens of serious gameplay bugs like the dynasty weapons mana cost bug. Uplay has nothing to do with those. So at least rage at the right target - Ubisoft and the original developers of the game.


Uplay is to Ubisoft as Origin is to EA. It's their digital distribution platform.

The problem with Uplay is that up until a certain point, every single Uplay enabled game made by Ubisoft required an Internet connection and if you lost link, you were kicked. Assassins Creed 2 was actually patched to save your game if you were dropped from Uplay - and yes, the Uplay servers would go poop just plenty often enough with players Internet connections just fine, so it definitely was a problem. There were plenty of games lost because CONNECTION TO CONFLUX LOST FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Uplay is as crap a platform as Ubi is a developer. I'm not a fan of Origin or EA but they look like paragons of virtue next to the dimwits involved with this debacle.

That HOMM VI was a crap game from design and coding perspectives just compounded the issues.
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