Believeinsteve Dec 26, 2012 @ 4:48am
I want to play juri but god damn she's so ...
Just hard to play against more than 50% of the characters. I've been playing this game almost non stop for about 6 hours now learning her after I had a go with all the new characters in challenge mode.

I can't even defeat bison in easy mode. His difficult in arcade mode is set up to medium-hard. Its just a joke to play juri I feel. Online, oh I'll get to that in a bit. And just...I feel like she's only good against turtlers with no counters to air.

Btw akuma has got to be the most cheap character in the game. Just throwing that out there. I was akuma myself in sf4 but after seeing juri I wanted some skill to play with and not just spam fireballs for days.

Now about online. If theres going to be a fight req mode you need to be able to restrict people with bad latency against you. I'm tired of getting matched up against people who have 1-2 bars. It really throws it off. I could not play ranked but why should I suffer?
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Believeinsteve Dec 26, 2012 @ 4:50am 
By the way do replays not work or something. I go to view any channel of replays on any section and it just keeps saying "sending data"

I let it do this for 15 minutes earlier
NR92 Dec 26, 2012 @ 4:51am 
You should play on Trial mode to learn how to use combos in the fight (try to unlock all trials with 1 character). After that, try to finish Arcade Mode on Medium difficulty, Hard, and finally, Hardest. After you learn combos and 80% of attacks a character, then you're ready to play online.
Believeinsteve Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:01am 
I cant get her combos off on my ps3 controller. I get to about level 9 or 10 I think it is and I literally can not time it right. Last one was clk+clk+mk

I literally can not do that. I hear its all about timing I sat there at that trial for 10 minutes. Its just no possible on the controller I am starting to believe.

Pretty sure I need a fight stick to actually play juri well. I wont go to keyboard. I hate hitboxing.

Ps3 trollers werent designed for pc anyways, probably a reason why its not working properly
Blood Lover. Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:34am 
If you think that 6 hours is enough to master a character you wrong.
Not only you need to know how to use your character moves but also wich moves you need to counter the characters you face...
Believeinsteve Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:35am 
Originally posted by Blood Lover.:
If you think that 6 hours is enough to master a character you wrong.
Not only you need to know how to use your character moves but also wich moves you need to counter the characters you face...

Not one single place did I use the word master in my post nor imply it.
Blood Lover. Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:44am 
Originally posted by Steve:
Originally posted by Blood Lover.:
If you think that 6 hours is enough to master a character you wrong.
Not only you need to know how to use your character moves but also wich moves you need to counter the characters you face...

Not one single place did I use the word master in my post nor imply it.

Whatever word you preffer then, still 6 hours is not enough to learn a character...
You sound frustrated also, so you should take a brake and try again later mate...

But not being able to defeat Bison on easy mode sounds wierd and exagerated, are you sure you have your controller pluged in?
Pretty sure any one can win pressing just one button against him on easy mode, maybe if you try using the controller with the hands and not your feet may work for you... =)
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Carl the Invoker Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:44am 
This is a forum for Juri players.
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?forums/juri.12/
Your execution has to be flawless,because a dropped combo or blockstring might end into a cmd grab or DP by your opponent.The thing is,you have to know frame data.How it works in this game.And learn which moves are safest of Juri and most useful.

Btw but all matchups have to be played in a different way.
I can imagine that some matchups should be easy for Juri,but some very hard.
Zangief should be pretty easy ,but Ryu could be very hard.You should have a general idea about
strengths and weakpoints of certain characters.
It is very important to know ,that the AI plays much different than a human player.

If you dont get the wanted results with Juri,then you should might drop her.

Just an advice,but you should know the current metagame of AE 2012.It is very much important to get a knockdown,then during you opponents wake up time,you do some ambiguous crossup on them.This way is the best way ,to get a lot of damage(Everyone could do 300+ damage).
It does not work on everyone(Seth,Akuma,Bison).

About Bison,he has a crap comeback potential.His combo damage is pretty bad,most of his special moves can be defeated by moves with some invincibility frames(Cannon Spike or Shoryuken-.-).Or just pick Guile(a 8-2 matchup for Guile)
I can tell you that new players will need a lot of time to master link combos with 1-2 frames,so don´t worry about the combo system,it is indeed very hard for beginners.
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CorvusCorax Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:47am 
6 hours should be enough, for one character, that is. It is also about learning how enemies behave. For instance, in case of Zangief you pretty much just jump back and forth - if you can hit him from the air, there can be a follow-up attack. In case a character has a different kick, i.e. useful against enemies in the air not in the ground, you need to do something different.

Juri is such a character. Quite ineffective in the air but her special moves (wheel kick and the fireball-esque attacks) should be enough. So far I have only done a walkthrough on medium and it worked without any difficulty.

I say the trial / challenge modes can help but due to the wrong timing I am unable to finish any character's list. I get halfway than Dan simply blocks everything. Sometimes the timing is OK but I do not understand why as I keep pressing the buttons the same way. Most combos can easily be learned from the CPU, that is why it is useful to play with Akuma, Oni, Ryu, Evil Ryu, as while mastering their techniques (I admit what they do can be considered overkill) you can learn how the CPU behaves with everybody.

I've completed the hardest difficulty with one 3rd of the available rooster - still has not gotten to Juri but I look forward to practicing with her.
Carl the Invoker Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:56am 
I see something else as a problem:The trials of this games are from SSF4 and not from AE 2012,i think.There was a lot of rebalancement.In my opinion,it is more important to use the training mode,because most trial combos aren´t really helpful and the most important combos should be practised a lot of time.
Believeinsteve Dec 26, 2012 @ 7:20am 
Can someone tell me for crying out loud how to beat bison on easy arcade with juri. I have almost no trouble with anybody else but the twins, ibuki, occasionally balrog, I don't usually fail on them but if I do its only once. But bison, I cannot beat this guy. I've beaten sf4 on hard with akuma/ryu. This should be a joke to me. But this guy I've tested it in versus is playing at a medium-hard maybe hard mindset. He is always one step ahead of me, and just when I think I've got him he just ultras and barely nicks me with it.

This is stupid. I do not want to move to a higher difficulty until I can beat this guy on easy. This is an absolute joke, I'm so frustrated with myself or the game. I don't know which.
Carl the Invoker Dec 26, 2012 @ 7:27am 
Originally posted by Steve:
Can someone tell me for crying out loud how to beat bison on easy arcade with juri. I have almost no trouble with anybody else but the twins, ibuki, occasionally balrog, I don't usually fail on them but if I do its only once. But bison, I cannot beat this guy. I've beaten sf4 on hard with akuma/ryu. This should be a joke to me. But this guy I've tested it in versus is playing at a medium-hard maybe hard mindset. He is always one step ahead of me, and just when I think I've got him he just ultras and barely nicks me with it.

This is stupid. I do not want to move to a higher difficulty until I can beat this guy on easy. This is an absolute joke, I'm so frustrated with myself or the game. I don't know which.
What exactly makes it so hard for you to defeat Dictator?
MDZ.IND | mudi Dec 26, 2012 @ 7:55am 
I don't play Juri but I've done all her trials at least so let me say this as a fellow ps3 pad user:

The controller is fine, you just need to get used to it and master her combos =).
Don't get discouraged because you don't own a fighting stick, I main Viper and it works just fine.
It's all about getting the timing right even if it takes half an hour at first xD
ultraspank Dec 26, 2012 @ 8:33am 
Originally posted by Steve:
I cant get her combos off on my ps3 controller. I get to about level 9 or 10 I think it is and I literally can not time it right. Last one was clk+clk+mk

I literally can not do that. I hear its all about timing I sat there at that trial for 10 minutes. Its just no possible on the controller I am starting to believe.

Pretty sure I need a fight stick to actually play juri well. I wont go to keyboard. I hate hitboxing.

Ps3 trollers werent designed for pc anyways, probably a reason why its not working properly

I play with a ps3 pad, my main is Juri and it's fine. Arcade stck won't make you better.
Carl the Invoker Dec 26, 2012 @ 8:49am 
Well,to defeat Bison,just pick a grappler or Guile.They can easily maul him.
Or just get the lifelead.He doesnt have a great comeback potential.His Ultras are hard to confirm.
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ultraspank Dec 26, 2012 @ 9:16am 
for the original post...
Juri is a demanding character.
She has an average health bar, get stun pretty fast, got no reversal (ok, ex senpusha is useful, sometimes). If you're knockdown, it's party time for your opponent. She walk slowly, had a bad backdash, Ultras are (in my opinion) useless..

BUT :
-front dash is fast.
-great collection of anti air normal moves
-kasatushi (the counter) is useful and can surprise your opponent
-her super is a great move easily connected
-once your opponent is konckdown, you can easily melt his brain with her mix-up
-great juggle play
-Her crossup (jump MK) is great
-she's so cute *o*

Basically, you have to be in control. Use her fireball storage to make your opponent act the way you want. If they are in corner or knockdown, go crazy on them with the mix up.
CONTROL THE GROUND, don't go jumping all over the place.
Use the divekick wisely, you can be easily punish.
Also, your execution must be perfect when comboing.

For the rest, you have to know the match up, what works or not against some characters.
For me the worst match up are : dictator, claw, Honda, Fei long, Rufus, Yun, Sakura.
The rest of the cast is even, maybe hard, but nothing undoable.

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