napalmcwgsy.net Jul 10, 2013 @ 7:29pm
Missing content?
I have read that the Steam version of GTR 2 has missing content (namely Porsche and Ferrari).

I already own GTR 2 and GT Legends on disc as well as Race 07 and all of the additional content (Steam came complimentary). I am looking to acquire the rest of the Simbin titles (apart from R3E), namely GTR and Race + Caterham expansion. Is any content missing from these releases?

Also has an official explanation ever been given as to why Porsche and Ferrari were removed from GTR 2?
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Manwith Noname Jul 11, 2013 @ 8:13am 
It has something to do with the way the licenses were agreed. The license has since expired so any "new" distribution of the product may not contain those models/liveries.

There is however a work around that allows them to appear correctly and be driven. Google is your friend ;)

As far as I am aware this only applies to GTR2.
napalmcwgsy.net Jul 11, 2013 @ 11:18am 
Thanks for the answer :)

After posting this I emailed Simbin. I had a couple of other things I wanted to ask them about anyway, but I'll post back if they give an explanation (I have my doubts they will).

I am aware of the work around, but this presents a couple of negatives. Firstly I was quite tempted to pick it up again on Steam for the convenience of auto patching itself and disc free install (although on second thought I need to retain my discs as they are required for installation of a couple of RFactor mods). The need for the work around defeats the purpose of this entirely. And secondly, people who are unfamiliar with the game will not be getting the true experience (after all Ferrari and Porsche are nearly half the game). It seems odd they have been removed from GTR 2 and not GTR 1.

Edit: I have just discovered that I can use my online key to register my games with Steam (I knew this was possible just not with these games). I have done this with GT Legends, which is nice as I don't need to buy it again. If they ever put the missing content back into the Steam version I'll add GTR 2 too.
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Manwith Noname Jul 18, 2013 @ 9:59am 
Originally posted by napalmcwgsy.net:
...If they ever put the missing content back into the Steam version I'll add GTR 2 too.

Sadly, I suspect this is highly unlikely to ever happen. We can but dream I guess.

As far as the digital install auto updating. Again, I really don't think this game will ever receive an update from steam as it is long out of devolpment and support.

Really, if you want a 2nd option other than disc as a backup, I'd just put the code in. Grab the patch file used to put the cars back in and store it somewhere. You don't have to install it, but should the worst happen you know you have a viable alternative.
napalmcwgsy.net Jul 18, 2013 @ 1:18pm 
I'm probably just going to keep it as is. I don't want to be messing around with no-CD patches. But I'll just keep my fingers crossed that it one day gets resolved.

As someone that is into older games, IP ownership problems and licencing issues are becoming the bane of my existence. I was hoping that No One Lives Forever might be released on here or GOG. Unfortunately nobody knows who owns the rights to it. I'd love to see the Geoff Crammond Grand Prix series made available too, but again I suspect that has something to do with red tape, probably sponsor names or something. If an agreement was reached for the rights to use a licence or its associated images etc it should be relevant for as long as the title is sold regardless of the distribution method.

I'm betting this is why games such as Colin McRae 1-5, any EA Sports title more than a couple years old and countless other titles are not available to purchase online. I find it really sad that there is no way to legitimately acquire these games any more. And before someone types eBay, I also refuse to pay the extortionate prices people charge for ancient scratched up copies of games that aren't even guaranteed to run on modern hardware.

Sorry about the rant, but this is something that really bugs me.
Manwith Noname Jul 18, 2013 @ 7:50pm 
The "NO-CD patch" is an officially released .exe replacement from Simbin if I recall correctly. Not some dodgy reverse engineered .exe from the hacking community. Each to his own I guess, and while you may not persue this avenue now, it is still a possibility in the future should you feel so inclined.

I haven't got round to trying it all out yet but I'm pretty sure there are ways to duplicate your install so you can run multiple instances with various mods. I'm thinking Power and Glory here, which I'm looking forward to. Playing GT Legends for now. Need to dig out my old force feedback wheel...or invest in a G27, mmmmm.

Sony, Microsoft and EA are the main culprits as far as screwing Licensing rights up I believe. I feel your pain though. I'm all for protecting peoples rights but it seems that like a lot of things these days, it can get a bit over the top.

Now then, Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix...that was epic for it's time. Had many fun hours playing that on my Atari ST.
napalmcwgsy.net Jul 19, 2013 @ 2:15am 
Originally posted by Manwith Noname:
The "NO-CD patch" is an officially released .exe replacement from Simbin if I recall correctly. Not some dodgy reverse engineered .exe from the hacking community. Each to his own I guess, and while you may not persue this avenue now, it is still a possibility in the future should you feel so inclined.

I haven't got round to trying it all out yet but I'm pretty sure there are ways to duplicate your install so you can run multiple instances with various mods. I'm thinking Power and Glory here, which I'm looking forward to. Playing GT Legends for now. Need to dig out my old force feedback wheel...or invest in a G27, mmmmm.

Sony, Microsoft and EA are the main culprits as far as screwing Licensing rights up I believe. I feel your pain though. I'm all for protecting peoples rights but it seems that like a lot of things these days, it can get a bit over the top.

Now then, Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix...that was epic for it's time. Had many fun hours playing that on my Atari ST.
If the no-CD patch is official I may have to reconsider.

I own a G25 as well as some older wheels. From my experience with the G25 and the reputation of the G27, it's a great choice. I'd quite like to get a T500 RS but I think it will have to wait. I need a PC upgrade in the next year or so, I'm still undecided what I'm doing about the next gen consoles, Oculus Rift is coming out next year and this summer sale isn't helping my savings. I've got some difficult decision making over the next year or so.

I think the licensing thing has multiple factors. Certain companies will milk their IP's for every penny they can get and only release things on their terms. Normally these terms are ridiculous to people seeking to do business with them, so deals are only struck for big name franchises which they are relatively sure they can make a profit on. But when it comes to anything involving brands, such as sporting bodies or car manufacturers and their related sponsors it becomes a minefield of legal issues and red tape. They don't see it in the sense that when the game was released they had a deal. They see it as this game is being sold now, but we no longer have an agreement, therefore they are making money off our name and we want our cut. I also doubt things like tobacco brands would make it into any modern release of a game, despite the fact it is historically accurate and was in a game at the time. It would be censored and replaced with something they deem more appropriate in this day and age like a sports drink.

I'm 30 now but never played the Grand Prix games (I had an Amiga but wasn't into F1). The original Gran Turismo was the game that got me hooked on racing games. Despite my brother owning a PC in the late 90's, I didn't play it very much and so missed out on a lot of great games. It was only about five years ago I bought my first gaming PC. Since then I've been trying to track down some of the great games I missed in the time when I had a more active social life (plus my passion for classic games in general has blossomed as I've become older). Unfortunately some of those great titles aren't available to download, and as said before I'm not willing to pay the prices people charge for them used. All the intellectual property rights and licencing crap just drives me absolutely mad as someone who wants to play classic games.

PS: I do like new games too. Can't wait for Assetto Corsa.
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Manwith Noname Jul 20, 2013 @ 10:17pm 
Originally posted by napalmcwgsy.net:
If the no-CD patch is official I may have to reconsider....

Hmmm, I did some checking and now I'm not so sure. It is available at reputable racing sim sites yet the author of the file shows as Reloaded...who crack games, so might have been mistaken. I know some companies do eventually release NOCD .exe's when the "lifetime" of the product is up.

Assetto Corsa is looking good I agree. If you haven't heard of it...Project Cars is also worth keeping an eye on. Some of the developers (Slightly Mad Studios) used to be part of Simbin. I hope it doesn't go too "arcadey" though.

I'm still using a Logitech Driving Force which I bought many years ago for Gran Turismo 3 I think. The first one on the PS2. It's only 180 degree rotation but it has served itself well. Should really upgrade sometime though.

Likewise, I don't really have a power house gaming PC and was going to build one when the Intel Haswell chips launched in June. I've kinda postponed it because there's been a lot of negative feeling about the chips heat. Not that Ivybridge was much better. I'm kind of hesitant to spend nearly £300 on a chip that I might need to remove it's heat spreader and reapply thermal compound to the chip itself. For the first time I can remember I've read about chips not stable "out of the box". On the other hand, some people have been lucky and got great performance and temps. The manufacturing process is just too inconsistent it seems.
John Oliver Dec 29, 2013 @ 5:36am 
simple fix download the update and no cd.exe here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9hK7d4ZvaL2SnI4TnEzcmlySVU/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9hK7d4ZvaL2Z1NsTmlpbkh1ajQ/edit?usp=sharing run the us update first then add the no cd .exe and all is good :) edit these are my files from my pc that ive uploaded to google drive :) remember this is for gtr2 :)
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