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Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月24日 11時07分
The latest upgrades make MVM impossible to win without Engineers
The latest upgrades make MVM impossible to win without Engineers, and when players 'ready up' before an engineer has a chance ( or enough TIME to set up) wHY can't the TIMER be delayed until EVERYONE finishes loading out, and Engineers setup FIRST? It makes NO SENSE. Too many BRATS just want to be P.I.A.'s anyway. seperate Babies room would be appreciated
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Punchy 2012年11月24日 11時10分 
the timer doesn't work to accomodate classes. it simply gives you time to get your things and get ready.

As an engineer, i can get ready in less than a minute, with plenty of time to spare.

The timer is SET so people who don't press F4 or go afk can't hold up the game forever.

If you're an engineer, it's YOUR JOB to get ready.

MvM is CO-OP. Everyone does their own part, nobody should have to wait because you need walking time.

If you're a terrible engie, which you're acting like, try another class.
Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月24日 11時19分 
garyMother- you are an idiot. READ the question again. The TIMER shouldn't be made to start until everyone HAS upgraded or entered a room. YOU are obviously one of the idiots who doesn't allow people to ALL ready up. It's not about classes, it's about preparing FAIRLY.
You assume I'm a terrible Engie you farqing idiot.
You misunderstood EVERYTHING you just answered, Dum azz !
Punchy 2012年11月24日 11時21分 
Rev. Jim の投稿を引用:
garyMother- you are an idiot. READ the question again. The TIMER shouldn't be made to start until everyone HAS upgraded or entered a room. YOU are obviously one of the idiots who doesn't allow people to ALL ready up. It's not about classes, it's about preparing FAIRLY.
You assume I'm a terrible Engie you farqing idiot.
You misunderstood EVERYTHING you just answered, Dum azz !

Lol You clearly stated you want more time to set up as an engie.

Engies have the exact same setup time as everyone else.

The only difference is you need 5 seconds to open a menu and place a teleporter.

The timer is fine.

I believe it doesn't even start until someone presses F4, and if you have a good team, nobody will press it until they are READY. if they're ready, you should be too.
Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月26日 10時08分 
No I did not say I wanted more time as an Engie- I want a FAIR chance to determine what class is necessary and set up given the other players classes.One misunderstanding Idiot is able to start game countdown prematurely, before EVERYONE is able to determine what rank is missing(usually Engie) buy initial upgrades, and adjust their loadout as necessary.
One players readying up starts a clock regardless of how many people are in the room.
Not everyone understands the definition of TEAM, and judging by your responses, YOU don't either. Your only purpose in responding is merely to argue, because you fail understand my point, ♥♥♥♥♥.
Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月26日 10時15分 
Engies don't have the time needed to place their 4 objects, unlike every other class that carries everything they need, so your argument is moot. If no one is Engie, and the clock is already started, you are talking about 60 seconds needed to walk to the places you need to set up, Jackass. You make it sound as though 5 seconds is all it takes to place a minimum of FOUR structures, not including TRAVEL TIME, so the clock shouldn't be started by any other class that doesn't have to search for it's ammo to build. The engie has to search for crates when the wave starts, Dummy, so THERE is the disadvantage you say doesn't exist.
Wizco 2012年11月26日 11時18分 
Gooddog you need to get better. As engie you don't even need a minute on any map. The engie has instant build time and infinite ammo during the ready up period. Just learn your map layouts and you shouldn't have a problem.

I think the ready up timer is too long and needs to be quicker because I run into players who don't know what the f4 button is.
Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月26日 11時37分 
FU. I AM better, ♥♥♥♥♥. instant build time? Not AFTER the F4 is used once. Nothing tells you that.You don't understand my point either, so STFU.
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Wanderer(Retired) 2012年11月26日 12時13分 
When F4 is pressed you get 150 seconds assuming no one else presses F4 as well. That is more than enough time to set up your buildings.
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Foxy the Pirate 2012年11月26日 12時40分 
Gooddog23 の投稿を引用:
FU. I AM better, ♥♥♥♥♥. instant build time? Not AFTER the F4 is used once. Nothing tells you that.You don't understand my point either, so STFU.
No, things instantly build until setup time is over, not until the timer starts. I've never had problems getting set up in MvM as Engineer.
Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月26日 16時29分 
IF no one presses F4- exactly ( what is so hard to understand? Engineers are at a disadvantage IFsomeone presses F4, whether you are good or not is NOT the issue. Period.
GarnetSnatcher 2012年11月26日 17時02分 
Ooooh Arguement! *gets popcorn and soda* Go on...
[Chicken]Unifex 2012年11月26日 18時52分 
You're basically complaining about morons starting the game early - simple solution: Don't play with them. Usually in a team everyone waits for the eng to call ready.
Bluevestguy 2012年11月26日 18時58分 
The other time I played engy I only had 20 second to set up, I could build the 2 teleporters and a dispencer.
If there's something, quickly build them at spawn and then move them. Yeah, "I'll get attacked by the robot while moving" "Pyrobot will kill me" "bla bla bla"..
Meh. Seriously, like everyone said.. Change map and stop crying. thanks.Or deal with it.
Gooddog(T.E.and M.) t 2012年11月26日 19時52分 
D-uh, which i do until people start to leave, and then it's map after map of more. Yes, but 20 seconds doesn't include placement, or strategizing with more than one Engie ( since the updates raised the need for teamwork and logistics. I'm STILL not crying about it. Where do you get that ??? The simple fact is : my point is valid, and most of your responses prove you still don't grasp the point I made initially. y'all can keep stirring this up all you want. I just need to iggie your responses...
-|DeD|-CritcH 2012年11月27日 0時29分 
AND ..... Who says you need an Engineer anyway?

I am so used to engineers hoarding their dispenser or placing in a position that is no use for the front line defenders I have worked out techniques for survival and amunition that do not require a dispenser.

If I dont need a dispenser - I dont need an Engineer
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