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Apple Plum Banana Face 2012年10月7日 21時16分
Why do people still think the Backburner is overpowered?
Those backcrits? They almost never work for me.
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Wolfbane[Secret Recipe Toast] 2012年10月7日 21時20分 
Giant fire radius, plus the airblast reduction is useless because most pyros using that weapon don't use airblast anyway :/
Apple Plum Banana Face 2012年10月7日 21時44分 
Wolfbane の投稿を引用:
Giant fire radius, plus the airblast reduction is useless because most pyros using that weapon don't use airblast anyway :/
Don't all flamethrowers have the same range?
Elephant Rave 2012年10月7日 21時55分 
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
Wolfbane の投稿を引用:
Giant fire radius, plus the airblast reduction is useless because most pyros using that weapon don't use airblast anyway :/
Don't all flamethrowers have the same range?
yes they do. but the back burner use to do 10% more damage in general which is why a lot of people used it and others mainly other pyros hated it. but back burner useres practicly gave up air blast for fire damage and when vaulve got rid of the bonus damage they screwed all backburners. so in short it is now UP
Apple Plum Banana Face 2012年10月7日 22時00分 
I really think they should reduce the airblast cost and give it no random crits.
fancy headcrab 2012年10月7日 23時20分 
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
I really think they should reduce the airblast cost and give it no random crits.
then it would almost be a regular flame thrower makeing it op because now u can airblast at will agian i know the only thing holding me back from the back burner is the airblast cost
Zyroxeon 2012年10月8日 3時47分 
THE OP

100000000000000000% more damamge than any weapon

>no random crits


prefectly balanced
InvisibleWater 2012年10月8日 6時04分 
It's probably due to the high crit DPS and the fire's damage system. (As for me, I used to think it was OP. Then I thought it was a crutch. Now I don't give two blind ♥♥♥♥s about it)
Apple Plum Banana Face 2012年10月8日 6時12分 
trolling The fancy headcrab の投稿を引用:
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
I really think they should reduce the airblast cost and give it no random crits.
then it would almost be a regular flame thrower makeing it op because now u can airblast at will agian i know the only thing holding me back from the back burner is the airblast cost
Notice I didn't say remove. Only reduce. Reduce it to +100% airblast cost, i think.
Trainer Red 2012年10月8日 6時52分 
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
trolling The fancy headcrab の投稿を引用:
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
I really think they should reduce the airblast cost and give it no random crits.
then it would almost be a regular flame thrower makeing it op because now u can airblast at will agian i know the only thing holding me back from the back burner is the airblast cost
Notice I didn't say remove. Only reduce. Reduce it to +100% airblast cost, i think. [Does Not Make A Differ Due To W+M1]
Apple Plum Banana Face 2012年10月8日 10時13分 
^1Aya' ^4Ben00x の投稿を引用:
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
trolling The fancy headcrab の投稿を引用:
BBSOS Itsuki Koizumi の投稿を引用:
I really think they should reduce the airblast cost and give it no random crits.
then it would almost be a regular flame thrower makeing it op because now u can airblast at will agian i know the only thing holding me back from the back burner is the airblast cost
Notice I didn't say remove. Only reduce. Reduce it to +100% airblast cost, i think. [Does Not Make A Differ Due To W+M1]
News flash: Bad Pyros W+M1 no matter what flamethrower they're using.
abs 2012年10月8日 10時32分 
Backburner is a different way to play, i've seen competitive players taking down key targets or entire team with it although you can only airblast 4 times.
Oh and Backburner's fire wasn't nerfed, the Flamethrower's one raised.
Xiane [dBs] 2012年10月8日 10時52分 
Yeah they should do about the same damage now....though thanks to variant damage output it's still possible to see one or the other outdamage the other regardless of who fires first.

Just tends to prove that weapons should do X dmg every time, not a possible x-z damage depending if you're lucky or not :P
Ceridran 2012年10月8日 10時57分 
Airblast having higher cost is barely a downside compared to 100% critical hits from back attacks. Only 50 ammo taken? Ammo is almost everywhere to grab. They need to balance this with a fair downside, but a fair upside.
Tolna 2012年10月8日 12時41分 
It's kinda outperformed by the phlog for it's actual purpose (ambushing) and kinda serves as a buffed flamer with a higher airblast cost.

compared to the stock flame thrower, it's an upgrade, compared to the sheer utility of the degreaser and the survivability and raw power of the phlog, it's a sidegrade. There aren't a lot of maps out there were ammo is scarce enough to make the backburner hurt on ammo.

Besides, for the longest time I've thought the Backburner had a slightly longer reach than the other flamethrowers, never tested it but, always kinda looked like it. It's a very tricky thing to balance though, I think it's alright the way it is atm.
hoboman 2012年10月8日 12時51分 
I don't view it as game breakingly OP but it is "that one weapon" for pyro (that one weapon being the clearly best weapon) as it gets random crits and guarnteed crits if you can get behind someone and usually if a pyro is behind you you're already dead also the downside is barely an issue except for hardcore airblasters.
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