★IS| DeevoDwarf 7 oct 2012 à 7h35
Abuse of vote power
I've been playing tf2 for a while now, and have something around the 30 hour mark for spy, so naturally I've got pretty good with him, which should be great!
But it isnt.
playing as spy for more than 20 minutes results in me getting perminent bans from official valve servers, and as far as im aware, theres nothing i can do in order to stop this.
It may sound like im just showing off, but I'm really concerned that this could stop me playing from spy at all, perhaps even the full game. i really thought there was a great community in this game, which I've tried to follow, avoiding the use of the backburner, gunslinger etc, and my spy is really the default except the diamond back. so i wasn't expecting such a negative responce to simply doing what my team needs. is there anyway i can defend myself, at all before i get the door shut on my face?
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[DBH-Mo] Sergeant Pan [Bacon] 7 oct 2012 à 7h48 
i cant even understand why valve would do this the people are just mad or the admin is abusing his power
bbearf 7 oct 2012 à 8h04 
how good are you? thea might think that you are hacking
Ama Ki Ellikayara 7 oct 2012 à 8h36 
Play on better servers
TBAGtv 7 oct 2012 à 8h52 
When you say good, do you mean? Hey look at me I'm Superman! and then you jump in the air off the top of steps jumping over the dude and stab him in the back or you actually have true spy (Go ahead try to kill me with your puny mini-gun or shotgun or rocket launcher! I'll stab you in your face and still kill you.) skills?
Storm Spirit 7 oct 2012 à 9h21 
Well I have 2 things to say.

1. Some people can mistake skill for hacking. Trynot to overdo the spy class, and if it keeps happening, go to the forums and tell someone.

2. Not all servers have admin power, and these are ussually better (due to no admin abuse possible), so try one of those.

3. If it's valve servers, tell them about it, and they will do something. Valve made the spy, why would they ban a player for being a spy?
Dernière modification de Storm Spirit; 7 oct 2012 à 12h50
GoldenFalchion 7 oct 2012 à 10h04 
Wow, that sucks. Maybe you could do competitive if you're good enough to make people think you're hacking. When you're banned for that, it's really a major compliment.
Jingle Jangle 7 oct 2012 à 10h17 
I've never been banned from any server, let alone a Valve server. I thought the only way you get permenantly banned from Valve official servers is if you are misbehaving with scripts and hacks. (They will catch you, no doubt.) You aren't spamming or advertising while you play? I know some people like to set up commands to automatically say things when they kill someone... but you'd have to kill people pretty fast to trigger that. The best protection you have against votekicks is playing with friends. Remember, votekicks don't permenantly ban you. The just boot you from the server for 30 minutes. If you go solo into something, people will votekick you to make room for thier friends sometimes. So play with people you know, or grow a personality that people would feel guilty about kicking in such a callous manner.

That's assuming you aren't totally misplaying the spy... I've seen bad pyros and snipers get kicked, but not spies. I don't see people getting kicked for playing well, either.... but I suppose anything is possible... however unlikely, because your team has to mostly agree.
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★IS| DeevoDwarf 7 oct 2012 à 10h46 
Dam187 a écrit :
When you say good, do you mean? Hey look at me I'm Superman! and then you jump in the air off the top of steps jumping over the dude and stab him in the back or you actually have true spy (Go ahead try to kill me with your puny mini-gun or shotgun or rocket launcher! I'll stab you in your face and still kill you.) skills?

I rarely stair stab, its a cheap trick, plus why bother when they can already be dead? 200 points within 3 rounds is a common thing, and as for the comment about voice commands i do use them alot but i dont over do it. so far I've had 7 kicks and 2 bans, and although i do have a competative server saved, there are usually already three or four spies on my team, and with that many spys comes pyros, so i dont bother and just go medic. shame really :/
Dernière modification de ★IS| DeevoDwarf; 7 oct 2012 à 10h47
Bobroberts72 7 oct 2012 à 13h46 
If ur getting really good id recommend giving nocrit servers a try, gets u out of pubs and with players with more skill
node357 7 oct 2012 à 18h04 
From my point of view, being killed by a good spy almost always feels unfair, especially in a match that's already difficult. You could try to see from the point of view of other players. Guage just how frustrated they may be. You can switch classes for a while to let them cool down.

As far as vote system goes, Valve obviously looked at the two evils: Valve having to assign moderators and inconvenience themselves to keep servers clean, or allowing voting which has the potential to work fairly, but also inconveniences the players if it's abused. Obviously Valve would rather players be inconvenienced.
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PackmanJohnny 7 oct 2012 à 18h13 
DeevoDwarf a écrit :
Dam187 a écrit :
When you say good, do you mean? Hey look at me I'm Superman! and then you jump in the air off the top of steps jumping over the dude and stab him in the back or you actually have true spy (Go ahead try to kill me with your puny mini-gun or shotgun or rocket launcher! I'll stab you in your face and still kill you.) skills?

I rarely stair stab, its a cheap trick, plus why bother when they can already be dead? 200 points within 3 rounds is a common thing, and as for the comment about voice commands i do use them alot but i dont over do it. so far I've had 7 kicks and 2 bans, and although i do have a competative server saved, there are usually already three or four spies on my team, and with that many spys comes pyros, so i dont bother and just go medic. shame really :/

lol stairstabbing makes me rage SO hard hahaha. t sounds like a jerk admin or just people with issues
Jingle Jangle 7 oct 2012 à 19h40 
Again, you cannot votekick someone on the opposing team. You have to teamswitch, then convince the team you just jumped to to votekick a player who is likely benefitting them. What is the lesser of two evils? If you keep getting kicked, you're either breaking the rules, or people really don't like you. You could take it as a sign that the game is vicious... but you'd pretty much be out of any multiplayer games then. TF2 is the puppy of Multiplayer games with any sort of large audiance.

I seriously doubt stairstabbing has anything to do with it. It's not like that's an exploit. Even if it is, it's basically Guile's handcuffs in Street Fighter. It's just not worth anyone's time to fix, and the move is so legit, it's allowed in tournements. That's like raging cause you're a bullet magnet when the Heavy's minigun cuts you in half at point blank.
m808 8 oct 2012 à 10h32 
I refuse to believe that anyone can be a skilled spy with only 30 hours of playing. I might be wrong though.
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Jetty 8 oct 2012 à 10h39 
30 hours? In which servers\map you play? I don't want to sound arrogant of course, i'm not even a good Spy.
ForceBoink may be a sample of getting insulted and stuff, look on Youtube.
Tito Shivan 8 oct 2012 à 12h32 
I refuse to believe that anyone can be a skilled spy with only 30 hours of playing. I might be wrong though.
On Valve Servers?... You can pretty much be an awesome spy even with less hours, depending on the newbiness (usually high) of your enemies.
Dernière modification de Tito Shivan; 8 oct 2012 à 12h32
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