Ruthless Caretaker Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:12pm
Pay 2 Win?
I just recently downloaded this game, so obviously I'm not terribly skilled. But it seems like other players are nearly unkillable while I'm extremely squishy (no matter what class I am). I realize I probably suck, but it just seems like the weapons you can buy are extremely overpowered. Do I have to drop money into this if I wanna have fun and stand a chance?
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SHREVE Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:16pm 
Many of the weapons are side-grades. Pick a class and stick with it. You will find new weapons, but more importantly you will learn the game. I recommend starting as a soldier or medic.
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{JSA}OFFICERMARIO Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:16pm 
If you want an advantage over anyone in this game, you must get a hat. On a serious note, no you do not have to. Most of the weapons are available to you by drop. If you cannot wait for a certain weapon, you can always trade another player for it.
End Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:17pm 
Just focus on getting better. A skilled player useing stock weapons can obliterate other players useing unlocked weapons. Get some acheivement weapons too those are some of the best you can get.
ZELRIS (Banned) Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:17pm 
You never-ever need to buy weapons. Just trade them from other people "Weps are dirt cheap". Also most weps are not really incredibly better than default weps.
Kreuzfahrer Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:17pm 
Weapons are very close to balanced, with stock actually being some of the best.
In addition, you don't need to pay for new weapons: http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Item_drop_system
Lord_of_Light (Banned) Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:18pm 
You don't really need to put money into this game in order to have fun. You just need to keep practicing and eventually you'll been owning everybody. Just practice find what class/es fit your style of play.
Cheekiest Breeki Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:21pm 
If by 'Win' you mean 'get hats', then sure, this is a P2W game.

Don't bother buying weapons or really anything from the Mann Co store unless you plan on going premium, where the only benefit is the ability to find hats and misc items and having more frequent drops over your weekly 10 hours.
Ruthless Caretaker Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:23pm 
Thanks all! I was planning to quit, but if it really is just a matter of getting better I'll stick to it!
Mortalmaster12 Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:24pm 
This may get locked
End Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:26pm 
Originally posted by mortalmaster12:
This may get locked
I doubt it. He is asking a legitimate question. The other fool that was making threads with this title was blatantly trolling.
Octavia Jun 15, 2013 @ 10:51pm 
There are really only two weapons that I can think of that are direct upgrades; the Solemn Vow and the Third Degree, both Melee weapons with their changes not being the most game breaking. It really comes down to skill; a great player will smash a bad one, unless the great player sucks at using his weapon. In the end, Stock tends to be the most efficient for a lot of classes, assuming a competitive environment, and a smaller amount of unlocks tend to be better, some of which merely compete with Stock rather than being used by most.

If you know how to use your weapon, you'll do better; some weapons like the Direct Hit may seem overpowered, due to how it inflicts more damage and travels faster, but since it deals less splash you can't reliably hit with it unless you both know the speed and manage to predict the enemy path. Just focus on a class you enjoy, but is needed, practice, and eventually you'll get enough game sense to transfer some of that knowledge to other classes.

The Soldier is a forgiving, all-round class that you could try; if you've found a class you enjoy, that's even better, but be aware that part of the reason could be your team's composition. If, for example, your team has three Snipers, two Spies and no Medic, while they have a Medic or two and a more balanced team, it will be difficult to do well, even as a good player, because you're instantly outmatched in terms of ability to hold ground, assuming equal skill. So essentially, get better, practice, and sooner or later you'll get good enough to not be demolished in seconds, or at least come close to killing many classes.
ScreaminEagle85 Jun 15, 2013 @ 11:05pm 
There is no such thing as an overpowered weapon. Line up to my right if you believe there is so I may distribute to you a ♥♥♥♥♥slap. Every single weapon in this game has a downside and nearly every class possesses a weapon to counterbalance its other weapons. It might be an FPS but SOME THOUGHT is required. Learn the weapons. Learn ALL trhe weapons, spot their flaws, and find the weapons that counter those flaws.

Now then; who's first to get slapped in the face?
ZedArgon Jun 15, 2013 @ 11:07pm 
Originally posted by ScreaminEagle85:
There is no such thing as an overpowered weapon. Line up to my right if you believe there is so I may distribute to you a ♥♥♥♥♥slap. Every single weapon in this game has a downside and nearly every class possesses a weapon to counterbalance its other weapons. It might be an FPS but SOME THOUGHT is required. Learn the weapons. Learn ALL trhe weapons, spot their flaws, and find the weapons that counter those flaws.

Now then; who's first to get slapped in the face?
Technically, the Solemn Vow, Amputator, and Third Degree have no downsides.
Octavia Jun 15, 2013 @ 11:09pm 
Originally posted by ScreaminEagle85:
There is no such thing as an overpowered weapon. Line up to my right if you believe there is so I may distribute to you a ♥♥♥♥♥slap. Every single weapon in this game has a downside and nearly every class possesses a weapon to counterbalance its other weapons. It might be an FPS but SOME THOUGHT is required. Learn the weapons. Learn ALL trhe weapons, spot their flaws, and find the weapons that counter those flaws.

Now then; who's first to get slapped in the face?

Solemn Vow compared to the Bonesaw, exact same damage, speed, etc, except the former can allow a Medic to see enemy health and either communicate it to his team or decide whether fighting an enemy is an option or not.

Third Degree compared to the Fire Axe, which both have the same properties but the Third Degree will hit enemies connected by a Medigun beam as well, which can help a tiny bit in some ambushes by effectively allowing you to target both the Medic and patient. Not really that useful, but still better than the Fire Axe without a downside.

Those two weapons are "overpowered" compared to Stock, since they have the exact same properties, but carry a bonus. You can argue they aren't overpowered overall, but in that case you're putting weapons into tiers of some sort based on how good they are, which means some weapons are, in essence, overpowered.

A small edit; I had forgotten about the Amputator, which comes with a more effective taunt that heals enemies and still carries the same properties as the Bonesaw. Thanks for jogging my memory, Pete.
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Handsome Jack Here Jun 15, 2013 @ 11:10pm 
Go spy and hide. You won't get killed.
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