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RoberOnocle 10 mar 2013, ore 14:22
New Soldier item idea
We know that Jarate makes enemies available for crits and the mad milk gives you health for every time you attack an enemy coated with milk. But I have an idea for a jar-related item.

The idea name would be "The Offensive Oiler", what it does is that the soldier throws the jar filled with oil on an enemy and their defense is lowered, making them more vulnerable.

I would make this in worklshop, but I don't know how to even work on the workshop, so feel free to copy this idea onto workshop.

Comment please!
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Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:29 
I will make it email me a picture of a sketch that u want it to look like
Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:30 
Hrothknurlhiem@gmail.com
RoberOnocle 10 mar 2013, ore 14:30 
Messaggio originale di Hrothknurlhiem:
I will make it email me a picture of a sketch that u want it to look like
I'm sorry, but is there some type of drawing board you can draw on in steam?
Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:32 
No just draw it on paper
Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:32 
Take a pic
Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:32 
And email
RoberOnocle 10 mar 2013, ore 14:32 
Messaggio originale di Hrothknurlhiem:
No just draw it on paper
ok, i'll try
Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:32 
Thank you
Octavia 10 mar 2013, ore 14:35 
Exactly how do you calculate defense? Unless you base it on resistances, which only come with certain items and not classes, it would be rather similar to Jarate; if it is based on such resistances, it would be almost completely useless in terms of practical applications.

I mean, it's possible, but the way you word it makes it seem rather difficult to implement while still being useful. Personally, the name sounds like it should be something that increases the explosive knock-back taken from an opponent, due to the nature of how Oil tends to make surfaces slippery, unless that's something cartoons have misinformed me of. It sounds a bit more practical that way, since it could turn minor launches into large lifts, which have some synergy with the Direct Hit due to the nature of the Rocket Launcher; it also promotes a Demoman or Soldier to clear off points indirectly, which would have significant uses.

Why die trying to dislodge someone when you can just blast them so far away they can't contest you? It seems like it'd be a little more unique a concept than defense reductions, which is essentially the concept of Mini-Crits and Criticals; additional damage is essentially a reduction in maximum Health for other classes, assuming they solely take damage from those sources, so it just tends to be much simpler for the Jarate to inflict additional damage from further attacks rather than reduce defense, since a defense stat doesn't exist.

Nevertheless, there's some potential in the original idea, but it just needs to be ironed out in a way that allows it to function in the game as is; if it solely applies to resisted damage types, it seems like it would be virtually useless against anything but a Demoman with one of the two Shields or a Vaccinator Medic and his patient.
RoberOnocle 10 mar 2013, ore 14:39 
Messaggio originale di Hrothknurlhiem:
Thank you
Still working on it.
One Who Seeks 10 mar 2013, ore 14:45 
so basically a worse Buff Banner
Angvard- Coaching HL/6s 10 mar 2013, ore 14:46 
Messaggio originale di Octavia:
Exactly how do you calculate defense? Unless you base it on resistances, which only come with certain items and not classes, it would be rather similar to Jarate; if it is based on such resistances, it would be almost completely useless in terms of practical applications.

I mean, it's possible, but the way you word it makes it seem rather difficult to implement while still being useful. Personally, the name sounds like it should be something that increases the explosive knock-back taken from an opponent, due to the nature of how Oil tends to make surfaces slippery, unless that's something cartoons have misinformed me of. It sounds a bit more practical that way, since it could turn minor launches into large lifts, which have some synergy with the Direct Hit due to the nature of the Rocket Launcher; it also promotes a Demoman or Soldier to clear off points indirectly, which would have significant uses.

Why die trying to dislodge someone when you can just blast them so far away they can't contest you? It seems like it'd be a little more unique a concept than defense reductions, which is essentially the concept of Mini-Crits and Criticals; additional damage is essentially a reduction in maximum Health for other classes, assuming they solely take damage from those sources, so it just tends to be much simpler for the Jarate to inflict additional damage from further attacks rather than reduce defense, since a defense stat doesn't exist.

Nevertheless, there's some potential in the original idea, but it just needs to be ironed out in a way that allows it to function in the game as is; if it solely applies to resisted damage types, it seems like it would be virtually useless against anything but a Demoman with one of the two Shields or a Vaccinator Medic and his patient.

What if u have no rockets,

Didn't think of that
RoberOnocle 10 mar 2013, ore 14:47 
Messaggio originale di Merak:
so basically a worse Buff Banner
If you that's how you define it, fine with me, but it's supposed to be a substitute for the battilion's backup.
RoberOnocle 10 mar 2013, ore 14:48 
Messaggio originale di Hrothknurlhiem:
Messaggio originale di Octavia:
Exactly how do you calculate defense? Unless you base it on resistances, which only come with certain items and not classes, it would be rather similar to Jarate; if it is based on such resistances, it would be almost completely useless in terms of practical applications.

I mean, it's possible, but the way you word it makes it seem rather difficult to implement while still being useful. Personally, the name sounds like it should be something that increases the explosive knock-back taken from an opponent, due to the nature of how Oil tends to make surfaces slippery, unless that's something cartoons have misinformed me of. It sounds a bit more practical that way, since it could turn minor launches into large lifts, which have some synergy with the Direct Hit due to the nature of the Rocket Launcher; it also promotes a Demoman or Soldier to clear off points indirectly, which would have significant uses.

Why die trying to dislodge someone when you can just blast them so far away they can't contest you? It seems like it'd be a little more unique a concept than defense reductions, which is essentially the concept of Mini-Crits and Criticals; additional damage is essentially a reduction in maximum Health for other classes, assuming they solely take damage from those sources, so it just tends to be much simpler for the Jarate to inflict additional damage from further attacks rather than reduce defense, since a defense stat doesn't exist.

Nevertheless, there's some potential in the original idea, but it just needs to be ironed out in a way that allows it to function in the game as is; if it solely applies to resisted damage types, it seems like it would be virtually useless against anything but a Demoman with one of the two Shields or a Vaccinator Medic and his patient.

What if u have no rockets,

Didn't think of that
Bout to send it. My drawing sucks a little bit.
One Who Seeks 10 mar 2013, ore 14:48 
Messaggio originale di TheAngryDerp:
Messaggio originale di Merak:
so basically a worse Buff Banner
If you that's how you define it, fine with me, but it's supposed to be a substitute for the battilion's backup.

that doesn't sound remotely correct at all
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