Ron Swanson Feb 12, 2013 @ 11:23pm
did I get ripped off? what should I do?
so this guy, Dysentery, added me as a friend and asked to buy my strange gunslinger off me. he said it was worth $5 and since I don't really play the game any more I believed him and sold it.

i checked forums and apparently it is worth 15-30 keys.
what should i do?

ps i've already messaged him concerned he ripped me off and gave him a chance to explain himself. from what i can gather he trades frequently
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Das Kätzchen Feb 13, 2013 @ 4:11am 
In all seriousness, however, I recommend filing a Steam Support Ticket under the Steam Trading Category. You won't get your items back, but if you get lucky you can screw over the scammer.
BabyRage Feb 13, 2013 @ 5:30am 
You should have checked the forums first. Since you agreed to the trade there's nothing you can do now.
tangram § QEMU-KVM domain Feb 13, 2013 @ 5:42am 
You both agreed I don't see how this is a scam.
A scam would be, for example if you agreed on trading a Strange weapon and he ended up giving a Unique.
SMASH Feb 13, 2013 @ 5:48am 
Originally posted by FirePyro192:
In all seriousness, however, I recommend filing a Steam Support Ticket under the Steam Trading Category. You won't get your items back, but if you get lucky you can screw over the scammer.

Don't do that please. He did not scam you, you both agreed to a price and traded the correct items thus it is not a scam. He sharked you, this means exploiting your lack of knowledge of prices to buy it cheaper. You made the mistake of not researching prices before selling, he has not broken any steam rules. Sharking is technically legitimate way of trading, morally/ethically not good though.
Nuclear Kangaroo Feb 13, 2013 @ 6:28am 
Originally posted by Colbolt:
Originally posted by FirePyro192:
In all seriousness, however, I recommend filing a Steam Support Ticket under the Steam Trading Category. You won't get your items back, but if you get lucky you can screw over the scammer.

Don't do that please. He did not scam you, you both agreed to a price and traded the correct items thus it is not a scam. He sharked you, this means exploiting your lack of knowledge of prices to buy it cheaper. You made the mistake of not researching prices before selling, he has not broken any steam rules. Sharking is technically legitimate way of trading, morally/ethically not good though.

you have to be very desperate to sell your soul for a couple of dollars

some people really have no morals
Octavia Feb 13, 2013 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by Nuclear Kangaroo:
you have to be very desperate to sell your soul for a couple of dollars

some people really have no morals

Or, you know, they could realize that morals are a subjective matter, and in a free-market economy there are very few morals at work. Economic morals are subjective, and to one it can be completely just to practice sharking and underpaying, since the terms are agreed to by both parties; to another, they can see this as unjust due to how the wealth and knowledge of both parties is not equal, and thus they aren't trading on equal terms.

If you want to argue morals when trading, all I'm going to say is that you've got to deal with the morals of the economic system and the morals that are enforced by the Terms of Service; personal morals are worthless on that scene, and attempting to say that traders or people who shark others have no morals is a laughable claim at best.
Steve Killbane Feb 13, 2013 @ 7:54am 
Report them. It counts as a scam because he told you it was only worth $5 dollars even though he knew it was more. You also might get your item back.
BabyRage Feb 13, 2013 @ 7:56am 
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Report them. It counts as a scam because he told you it was only worth $5 dollars even though he knew it was more. You also might get your item back.

It's not a scam and he won't get his item back. It's OP's own fault that he believed this guy, and he got what he expected to get so it could not have been a scam.
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Octavia Feb 13, 2013 @ 7:57am 
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Report them. It counts as a scam because he told you it was only worth $5 dollars even though he knew it was more. You also might get your item back.

No, that does not count as a scam; that counts as you being gullible. He can easily say that, to him, it was worth five dollars, which is completely within the bounds of the rules; if a trade is agreed to without a sort of trust trade mechanic, it's generally perfectly fine. This is no exception.

"Lying" about the value of an item is not against the rules, especially since value are subjective entities, and not defined in cold hard facts.
Steve Killbane Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:03am 
Originally posted by Octavia:
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Report them. It counts as a scam because he told you it was only worth $5 dollars even though he knew it was more. You also might get your item back.

No, that does not count as a scam; that counts as you being gullible. He can easily say that, to him, it was worth five dollars, which is completely within the bounds of the rules; if a trade is agreed to without a sort of trust trade mechanic, it's generally perfectly fine. This is no exception.

"Lying" about the value of an item is not against the rules, especially since value are subjective entities, and not defined in cold hard facts.
You can say that, but I've heard of people getting Items back, and getting the player banned from trading, for them lying about prices.
SMASH Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:07am 
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Originally posted by Octavia:

No, that does not count as a scam; that counts as you being gullible. He can easily say that, to him, it was worth five dollars, which is completely within the bounds of the rules; if a trade is agreed to without a sort of trust trade mechanic, it's generally perfectly fine. This is no exception.

"Lying" about the value of an item is not against the rules, especially since value are subjective entities, and not defined in cold hard facts.
You can say that, but I've heard of people getting Items back, and getting the player banned from trading, for them lying about prices.

Nobody ever gets trade banned for lying about the "prices". These prices are not set by Valve, they were created by the community. I repeat, Valve does not ban people for fair trades.
Steve Killbane Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:10am 
Originally posted by Colbolt:
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
You can say that, but I've heard of people getting Items back, and getting the player banned from trading, for them lying about prices.

Nobody ever gets trade banned for lying about the "prices". These prices are not set by Valve, they were created by the community. I repeat, Valve does not ban people for fair trades.
Never said Valve made the prices. This is not a fair trade.
Octavia Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:13am 
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Never said Valve made the prices. This is not a fair trade.

Fair is an opinion, since all prices are subjective; you don't seem to understand that word. It means no price is set in stone, and thus there's no way to lie about it; even if someone does 'lie', there is no enforcement of the trade, which means the seller has an easy time informing himself. Perhaps you don't realize that, but Valve won't reverse this trade; I'd love to see proof to back that claim.

You're talking about fairness in a system that is dictated completely by the opinions of a few, and then the blind following of others; if I pay a Scrap for a Hat because, to me, it's worth a Scrap, the trade will not be reversed because a Hat is 'worth' more.
SMASH Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:15am 
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Originally posted by Colbolt:

Nobody ever gets trade banned for lying about the "prices". These prices are not set by Valve, they were created by the community. I repeat, Valve does not ban people for fair trades.
Never said Valve made the prices. This is not a fair trade.

Fair trades are ones that both parties agree on, he traded his gunslinger for $5. They both thought it was fair at the time, thus a fair trade. Valve does not ban people for fair trades, maybe if he quick switched scammed him he would have been banned but he didn't. Again Valve doesn't make the prices, so technically items can be valued at anything to them. So they will not ban because of lying of "prices"
BabyRage Feb 13, 2013 @ 8:19am 
Originally posted by Urban Contemporary Man:
Originally posted by Octavia:

No, that does not count as a scam; that counts as you being gullible. He can easily say that, to him, it was worth five dollars, which is completely within the bounds of the rules; if a trade is agreed to without a sort of trust trade mechanic, it's generally perfectly fine. This is no exception.

"Lying" about the value of an item is not against the rules, especially since value are subjective entities, and not defined in cold hard facts.
You can say that, but I've heard of people getting Items back, and getting the player banned from trading, for them lying about prices.

Could you substantiate this claim? I know of cases where people who were scammed with paypal got their items back but that's it.
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