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CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 12일 오후 7시 25분
Strange Part: Allies Extinguished can't be used on mediguns??
So... I got myself a "Strange Part: Allies Extinguished" today and tried to apply it to my Strange Quick-Fix, but got the message that the weapon is not suitable for that part. What the hell?

Does this mean the Strange Part only works on Jarate, Mad Milk, Pyro flamethrowers (those that have a compression airblast), and on the Manmelter? (With the question arising, how many people actually own Strange Jarate?)

The TF2 Wiki only specifies that any Strange weapons suited for Strange Part: Allies Extinguished needs to have a tag "Can Extinguish".
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Strange_parts

Now, forgive me for being sarcastic, but I thought one of the main powers of the three existing mediguns, and especially of the Quick-Fix, is EXTINGUISHING burning team mates! The Medic even gets an achievement for that: "Infernal Medicine: Extinguish 100 burning teammates"!!

Would be nice if someone added a footnote in the Wiki that the game does not recognize the three mediguns as being able to "extinguish" people on fire. :-/

As for the mysterious weapon "tags", how or where are they listed? Certainly not in the Wiki, nor on a weapon's official description text, and common sense does not seem to apply. While the Wiki pages on e.g. the stock flamethrower, Manmelter, Jarate and Mad Milk mention the ability to extinguish burning team mates in the Wiki text, the Basic Information box does not show any such "tags". And as for the description text of weapons, yes, the Manmelter description text actually contains the word "extinguish". The descriptive text of Jarate only says "Also handy for putting out a fire". The description texts for the Mad Milk or the stock flamethrower, however, do not even mention fire or extinguishing.

Let's see what the TF2 Wiki has to say on the topic of afterburn:
Quote: "Apart from the direct damage, the Flamethrower also sets targets on fire, causing the target to burn and take additional damage for a short time. (...) The afterburn can be extinguished by the Medi Gun of a Medic, a Dispenser's healing stream, contact with water, friendly Jarate, friendly Mad Milk, a compression blast, the secondary attack of a friendly Manmelter, a Spy-cicle, a Dead Ringer or any type of Health pack. (...)"

(As for the Spy-cicle, it only protects the Spy himself, by melting, so you can't even use it on team mates.)

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If anyone from Valve reads this thread:

PLEASE, fix this oversight and make the stock Medi Gun, Quick-Fix and Kritzkrieg mediguns eligible to have "Strange Part: Allies Extinguished" added to them!
Thank you.
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P.S. I would sent a notification to the TF2 troubleshooting team instead of posting here, but as I haven't received a reply to one I sent in October (regarding my problem with being unable to upload a Saxxy submission via the replay editor), I don't have high hopes. Perhaps someone else knows a better way to get heard?
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CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 13일 오전 5시 05분 
Comments? Commiseration? Claims of how stupid I must be not to realize it beforehand?
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männchen 2012년 12월 25일 오후 7시 18분 
Well, you are healing them, and not really "extinguishing" them. You are healing them so they get health as they get the fire off
CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 26일 오후 4시 01분 
Not quite true. The Wiki explicitely states that a medigun "extinguishes" a burning character. If that was not true, I'd have to call the exstunguishing part into question in regard to other items, too.
männchen 2012년 12월 26일 오후 4시 14분 
Meh. Just trying to help
Bluevestguy 2012년 12월 26일 오후 4시 17분 
Cosmos님이 먼저 게시:
Well, you are healing them, and not really "extinguishing" them. You are healing them so they get health as they get the fire off
A medigun is only a slow healt pack :O
Z-Gull 2012년 12월 26일 오후 5시 02분 
Great Point, But like the other 2 said! its kinda just a slow hp.
Tim Timsen (차단됨) 2012년 12월 26일 오후 5시 05분 
The Medigun just shortens the afterburn and doesn't actually extinguish your teammates, because they're still burning for some seconds when you hit them with your beam.
Airblast, Jarate and Mad Milk kill the fire immediately.
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CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 27일 오전 1시 02분 
Cosmos, I wish to apologize if I sounded snappish.

But to repeat myself, not only does the Wiki explicitely state that mediguns DO extinguish burning characters (they just don't do it instantly), but my original argument still stands:


The Medic gets an achievement: "Infernal Medicine: Extinguish 100 burning teammates"!

That achievement is direct proof the mediguns CAN do that. Otherwise, how would the Medic be able to gain that achievement if he didn't have any weapon capable of doing so??

IMO Valve simply forgot to add the relevant "tag" to the mediguns when they invented the Strange Parts.
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Medicus Qui 2012년 12월 27일 오전 1시 06분 
Finally this could be the first strange part applicable to mediguns.
CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 27일 오전 1시 14분 
Addendum:
Not only does the list of Medic achievement contain an achievement for extinguishing burning team mates, the list of Pyro achievements does not (as of Dec 27, 2012)! (Unless I overlooked it, but I checked twice.)

So please, Valve, add a strange parts: allies extinguished tag to the mediguns, and grant the Pyro an achievement for extinguishing burning team mates via airblast and manmelter.

CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 28일 오전 5시 58분 
*bump*
Scrooge McPotato 2012년 12월 28일 오전 6시 26분 
Erm... the strange part is for pyro, not the medic. I think this is a better and simpler explanation than what you have above. (>.<)
CrunchyFrog 2012년 12월 28일 오전 7시 00분 
Yes, I *know* that currently the strange part in question is meant as add-on to the Pyro's flamethrowers. (Not sure about other strange weapons, like strange Jarate, because I never had that one and can't test it.)

But there's no logical reason why it shouldn't be addable to the medigun (and a lot why it should), except for "well at the moment it doesn't". But bugs and oversights get fixed all the times.

Mainly I hope someone here knows a way to bring this to the TF2 dev team's attention, because my past attempts to get some reaction were not fruitful.
UberActivist 2013년 1월 24일 오후 2시 15분 
I agree. Disappointing that I couldn't put it on my strange medigun.
Bestrafer 2013년 1월 24일 오후 2시 42분 
I am disappointed the Medi-Gun can't get some parts. I was hoping at least Dominations (even though its assisted). But what can you do...
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