RobStoppable Apr 2, 2013 @ 1:37pm
Others treating TF2 like any other rated M game?
People say that for the fact that TF2 is rated M, only people 17 and up can play the game.

While the "Rated M" routine has always been like that, I personally find TF2 slightly Targted toward younger audiences. The only reason I can find for the fact it's rated M is due to the fact it has blood and gore into it. Set those qualities aside and TF2 could have been rated T instead, but that's not the case.

Besides, TF2 is really funny. Really, just count how many youtube videos feature one or more of heavy's hilarious quotes, you can't, there's way too many.

It seems to me that VALVe had TF2 targeted more to younger audiences which is usually why you see alot of them on this game.

Even if you're still thinking, "this guy is talking bullcrap!", you can simply equip the pyrovsion goggles, which censors all the blood in the game, so your kid doesn't get all that "kill your foes!" and "guns are for evereyone!" kind of thoughts.

The truth is, many people treat TF2 like the COD series (which is definetly NOT for kids!) or some other series related to it.

Please leave SUPPORTIVE or POSITIVE comments only!
Last edited by RobStoppable; Apr 3, 2013 @ 5:34am
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Brian Apr 2, 2013 @ 1:56pm 
It's the same with the other way around. If you take away the cartoony graphics from TF2, than it'll pretty much be like a lot of other class based FPS games out there. It's M rated because of the violence.

Being M rated doesn't mean you HAVE to be 17 years old or older, it just means that you need to be mature enough to handle the game, that you know that it's just a game and not real life.

I do see why people think that it's not as violent as other games such as COD or Battlefield, because of the graphics, but it's still the same bloody, violent game as every other.
Octavia Apr 2, 2013 @ 2:09pm 
Originally posted by MegaStark:
Please leave SUPPORTIVE or POSITIVE comments only!

Probably not going to happen, but it's nice that you think leaving that will work.

Comedy does not reduce the rating of a game; that's the principal issue here, because even if it looks like a cartoon or features humor it doesn't mean that a rating of Mature isn't needed. Just look at some old games, like Conker's Bad Fur Day; it was a game for the Nintendo 64 that featured gore, sexual references and crude humor, with cartoon-like graphics, but it was rated Mature because the overall concept despite the art-style. It had humor that was low-brow and immature, but it didn't change the fact that it still required a certain maturity for some of the aspects and that some of the situations involved gore, even if it was cartoon-like.

Brian is absolutely right, Team Fortress 2 is essentially as violent as most other games; the only difference would be the 'realistic' graphics of Call of Duty or Battlefield making it more 'real' compared to Team Fortress 2, barring some circumstances where excessive violence is used beyond mere shooting. More 'realistic' games tend to shock players more, while Team Fortress 2 is kind of like Conker's Bad Fur Day in that sense; it's a bit more mild because of the art style and manner in which it is presented, but it doesn't change the way the game addresses mature subject matter in a way that less mature players shouldn't be seeing.

When you take the comedy out of context, you remove the overall picture and examine a select area; sure, a lot of the humor isn't mature, but combined with the setting of the game and everything else it becomes mature. You can't exactly use a less mature subject to justify a lower rating when you have things that should be rated higher on a scale of maturity, because players will be exposed to everything in a game, and not just the select things you examine outside of context.
Moon Cow Apr 2, 2013 @ 2:12pm 
The game is rated 15+ in australia
AdviserChip Apr 2, 2013 @ 3:10pm 
Aimed at children? Just because it's cartoon-style doesn't mean it's kid-friendly. Conker's Bad Fur Day has already been used as an example, and outside of gaming, South Park and Family Guy are perfect examples of this. Pyroland might censor out blood, and reduce violence, but it doesn't get rid of the foul language other players use.
Space Walker Apr 2, 2013 @ 3:53pm 
Originally posted by AdviserChip:
Aimed at children? Just because it's cartoon-style doesn't mean it's kid-friendly. Conker's Bad Fur Day has already been used as an example, and outside of gaming, South Park and Family Guy are perfect examples of this. Pyroland might censor out blood, and reduce violence, but it doesn't get rid of the foul language other players use.
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Das Kätzchen Apr 2, 2013 @ 4:03pm 
If they make a version that gets rid of foul language and other crap, made birthday mode mandatory, and made everything look like Pyroland, it could be marketed as a kid's game. Otherwise, everyone else has already covered pretty much all of the bases.
Paradox Sandwich I guess Apr 2, 2013 @ 4:21pm 
I don't think this was targeted for children. Burning people alive isn't very much something that would be directed for children. I understand that you think it's aimed for children because it has cartoonish elements, but I'm sure the best rating for this game would be likely T. As this game is nothing compared to games like Cod/Battlefield/Killzone or any other FPS in general.

But M is again, a good rating, as it IS a FPS and it has gore, so it depends on the maturity of who's about to play it. And it's safe to admit that most children aren't mature enough, yet still play it.
ShenanAgain Apr 2, 2013 @ 4:34pm 
Originally posted by MegaStark:
While the "Rated M" routine has always been like that, I personally find TF2 slightly Targted toward younger audiences. The only reason I can find for the fact it's rated M is due to the fact it has blood and gore into it. Set those qualities aside and TF2 could have been rated T instead, but that's not the case.
Brilliant argument. Take out what makes the game M and it'll get a T rating.

Is TF2 like other M games? Not exactly; most M games are grittier and more "realistic". Valve didn't want to go that route and made everything cartoony because there's little in this game that could be considered "realistic". It still has blood and gore in it, though, and in the same vein as Happy Tree Friends, being cartoony doesn't make it child-safe.

Let's look at the game without blood and gore, however. Even without them, the game contains violence, alcohol, crude humor, mild swearing, and sexual references. These might not pop up often enough for the game to be considered M, but T isn't meant to be child-friendly either (why "Teen" is being seen as childish these days, I dunno). Had Valve wanted to target their game at children, they wouldn't have made the characters act the way they do.

The fact of the matter is, TF2 was rated Mature at its release and that hasn't changed with any update. It may even be more mature now, despite all the supposedly kiddy additions.
Funboyfun23 Apr 2, 2013 @ 4:34pm 
Just because the art isnt as 'real' as COD or Battlefield doesn't make a difference. The game still features blood, guts, exploding body parts and of course the people swearing in Multi player servers. And the humor the characters use also adds up. Also keep in mind that this game was rated way before pyroland so that can't effect the total rating at all, and some of the custom made maps Pyroland can barely get rid of the violence. Little kids cannot play this game because they are simply not matured enough to handle TF2. Even if the violence doesnt scare the kid the game can heavily impact their attitude and change who they are as a person. Like if I talk to a little kid that plays alot of COD hes usually more ruder, and swears alot. Then too another little kid whos parents look after the content he plays on or veiws and he seems alot more nicer and innocent.
M'aiq the Liar (banned) Apr 2, 2013 @ 4:56pm 
Conker bad fur day I can see why that game is rated M. Tf2 i feel should have ben T it just doesnt feel like a M game to me just my opinion.
RobStoppable Apr 3, 2013 @ 5:29am 
Originally posted by AdviserChip:
Aimed at children? Just because it's cartoon-style doesn't mean it's kid-friendly. Conker's Bad Fur Day has already been used as an example, and outside of gaming, South Park and Family Guy are perfect examples of this. Pyroland might censor out blood, and reduce violence, but it doesn't get rid of the foul language other players use.
That's what muting was for, and you can just ignore the comments
RobStoppable Apr 3, 2013 @ 5:31am 
Originally posted by ShenanAgain:
Originally posted by MegaStark:
While the "Rated M" routine has always been like that, I personally find TF2 slightly Targted toward younger audiences. The only reason I can find for the fact it's rated M is due to the fact it has blood and gore into it. Set those qualities aside and TF2 could have been rated T instead, but that's not the case.
Brilliant argument. Take out what makes the game M and it'll get a T rating.

Is TF2 like other M games? Not exactly; most M games are grittier and more "realistic". Valve didn't want to go that route and made everything cartoony because there's little in this game that could be considered "realistic". It still has blood and gore in it, though, and in the same vein as Happy Tree Friends, being cartoony doesn't make it child-safe.

Let's look at the game without blood and gore, however. Even without them, the game contains violence, alcohol, crude humor, mild swearing, and sexual references. These might not pop up often enough for the game to be considered M, but T isn't meant to be child-friendly either (why "Teen" is being seen as childish these days, I dunno). Had Valve wanted to target their game at children, they wouldn't have made the characters act the way they do.

The fact of the matter is, TF2 was rated Mature at its release and that hasn't changed with any update. It may even be more mature now, despite all the supposedly kiddy additions.
Was the "brilliant arguemant" a sarcastic reply?
RobStoppable Apr 3, 2013 @ 5:35am 
Guys I edited the text. I fixed an error I sorta made :)
RobStoppable Apr 3, 2013 @ 5:37am 
Originally posted by Brian:
It's the same with the other way around. If you take away the cartoony graphics from TF2, than it'll pretty much be like a lot of other class based FPS games out there. It's M rated because of the violence.

Being M rated doesn't mean you HAVE to be 17 years old or older, it just means that you need to be mature enough to handle the game, that you know that it's just a game and not real life.

I do see why people think that it's not as violent as other games such as COD or Battlefield, because of the graphics, but it's still the same bloody, violent game as every other.
Graphics can't make a game rated M, only the content within it
Ruebezahl Apr 3, 2013 @ 5:47am 
Originally posted by MegaStark:
Originally posted by AdviserChip:
Aimed at children? Just because it's cartoon-style doesn't mean it's kid-friendly. Conker's Bad Fur Day has already been used as an example, and outside of gaming, South Park and Family Guy are perfect examples of this. Pyroland might censor out blood, and reduce violence, but it doesn't get rid of the foul language other players use.
That's what muting was for, and you can just ignore the comments
The "Just ignore the comments" argument is invalid, as it could be applied to basically everything. Gory graphics? Ignore them. Blood splattered all over the scenery? Ignore it.

Yes, the graphics of TF2 might look like they are targeted towards a younger audience, but I agree with what most people here have said, that at its core, TF2 is a team-based FPS like any other, with all the "psychological" implications. No, I am not one of those people who believe that shooters make kids kill people, but there is still an impact on the mind of a very young person. It's also important to realize that TF2 does have a bit of a (for lack of a better word) "twisted" humor that is clearly targeted towards adults. Watch the "Meet the Pyro" video if you're not sure what I mean.
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