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Derpfish 15. říj. 2013 v 6.01 odp.
Why the hell is the Razorback not buffed?
It's one of the most underpowered "weapons" in the game, if not THE most underpowered weapon.
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ShenanAgain 15. říj. 2013 v 6.07 odp. 
Oddly enough, it serves its function fine. Most everyone will tell you that the Spy has a gun and will proceed to shoot you with it. You know what he's not doing?

Stabbing you for an instant-kill. However slight, this gives the Sniper time to react as well as his teammates to be aware of a Spy somewhere trying to shoot someone. Plus, it ruins the day of YER Spies.
Mexican Halo Jesus 15. říj. 2013 v 6.09 odp. 
It's a stupid weapon that shouldn't be used. It's for bad Snipers if anything.
100% Recycled Awesome 15. říj. 2013 v 6.10 odp. 
it's more underpowered than the short circuit, sharpened volcano fragment, or Fan O War?

Me thinks not.

Razorback does its job quite well. I do wish it would regenerate though after say 90 seconds.
100% Recycled Awesome 15. říj. 2013 v 6.11 odp. 
Aaron the Tyrant (Fear Me) původně napsal:
It's a stupid weapon that shouldn't be used. It's for bad Snipers if anything.

Says the guy who plays spy as his 3rd most popular choice.

Yeah, there's no ulterior motive there eh?

Machina is for bad snipers.
๖Dia_haze(Computer Broke) 15. říj. 2013 v 6.13 odp. 
Machina actually takes some skill
Derpfish 15. říj. 2013 v 6.13 odp. 
Yes, but in all honesty, it's too situational for normal use. The backstab block can only be used once, and the Spy can just run around a corner before you have the time to unscope and look at him (usually what i do), cloak, and come back for your ♥♥♥ before you get to a resupply locker. While this IS mostly an advanced tactic, I may mind you that it is also a tremendous waste of a secondary. The Razorback will not help you whatsoever if another class is attacking you from behind (e.g. a Scout), nor will it protect you from any other tricks spies have up their sleeve. Also, this is pretty much useless against Ambassador, or maybe even Enforcer (common for YER users) spies, because you'll just get shot down before you can react.
Mexican Halo Jesus 15. říj. 2013 v 6.13 odp. 
100% Recycled Awesome původně napsal:
Aaron the Tyrant (Fear Me) původně napsal:
It's a stupid weapon that shouldn't be used. It's for bad Snipers if anything.

Says the guy who plays spy as his 3rd most popular choice.

Yeah, there's no ulterior motive there eh?

Machina is for bad snipers.

Agreed. But hey, if you wanted to be good Sniper, SMG or Jarate. Great against all classes.
๖Dia_haze(Computer Broke) 15. říj. 2013 v 6.13 odp. 
sydney sleeper is for bad snipers
noname 15. říj. 2013 v 6.14 odp. 
Not to mention it protects you just fine if teammates are around. No good Spy is dumb enough to blow cover by shooting at a Sniper.
Naposledy upravil noname; 15. říj. 2013 v 6.16 odp.
Derpfish 15. říj. 2013 v 6.15 odp. 
@Magnificent

Now THERE you have a solid point. But why couldn't the spy wait out/kill the teammates, and then strike (if they really wanted to)?
Mexican Halo Jesus 15. říj. 2013 v 6.15 odp. 
RFCO Dia_haze původně napsal:
sydney sleeper is for bad snipers

Not even close. It's a team based weapon. It's to help support your team rather than steal kills. The Jarate headshots pushes the enemy back while also giving a damage buff.
Mexican Halo Jesus 15. říj. 2013 v 6.18 odp. 
Not to mention it protects you just fine if teammates are around. No good Spy is dumb enough to blow cover but shooting at a Sniper.

2-3 shot Enforcer? 1-2 shot Ambassador? 2-3 shot, go invisible then 2 shot L'Etrange? 2 crit shot Diamondback?

Spy was designed to be versatile, not just dependent on stab-stab-stabbing.
Naposledy upravil Mexican Halo Jesus; 15. říj. 2013 v 6.18 odp.
100% Recycled Awesome 15. říj. 2013 v 6.18 odp. 
RFCO Dia_haze původně napsal:
Machina actually takes some skill

How? Charge, point at body, shoot. Sure, Machina is more skill than the Lucksman, but that's not saying much.

Machina is the rifle for noobs who can't get headshots.
1hp super cookie with evil hats (Zabanován) 15. říj. 2013 v 6.19 odp. 
I think if it pervented fall damige it would be a little bit better.
Mr.Tickles | APP 15. říj. 2013 v 6.20 odp. 
The razorback is actually quite problematic for a spy. He may be able to gun you down but that is at least two shots to kill a full health sniper. Three if you are not using the ambassador.
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