Lucais (Banned) May 13 @ 1:55pm
Buff the Black Market Business set.
Yeah I know, dat op tomi
actually it's a pile of ♥♥♥♥ like the rest of it's set.
Only reason the set can ever get off was because of release tomi and because it's coo looking and makes you look like you have money that you actually don't have.

Tomislav is a pile of trash downgrade crutch used by heavies who were once scout mains or some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s who used it because they thought it wasn't a nooby F2P mini-gun (iron curtain to save your ♥♥♥ FTW) and so on, while having this gimmicky "no spin sound" while you hear this tick.
Even natascha is much more re-deeming plus it has a very quiet spin sound too.
Stock out-performs this weapon in every way.
Only way it can be made useful of is if you love camping, revving forever.
That's what it's for, a crutch for bad heavies who rev forever employing noobish playstyle.

Family Business is a completely ♥♥♥♥ing downgrade to stock, now this degenerate from which was birthed from a shotgun with a stock; where anyone who literally spends all 8 rounds spamming it at some dude to "deal more damage".
You deal more damage with your mini-gun, you idiot.
It's also a direct downgrade to stock if I forgot to mention it before; as the clip size "bonus" actually cripples you very badly; where you spend all 8 rounds on somebody where you're actually going to have to reload longer which means it takes 1 second for initial reload, then 0.5 seconds for the stringed reloading process which in total completely reloading the clip takes 5 seconds instead of you revving your mini-gun or maybe with the tomi because you think the weapon could possibly have some potential viable use to it?

Eviction Notice is also another degenerate downgrade to stock made using an actually half-decent weapon named the "Fists of Steel", while claiming two reclaimed; the souls of six other possibly decent weapons for having one of the most ♥♥♥♥tiest weapons in team fortress two.
I swear to ♥♥♥♥ing god this weapon contributes nothing to the set or the game at all and should either be scrapped on sight, sold to players you are sharking by telling them it's good or they're legitamitly idiots (oh come on they would both be idiots for thinking this wep si gud), or you can collect this piece of ♥♥♥♥ for some ♥♥♥♥ty item set collection, which I already had done, to live with this pathetic piece of ♥♥♥♥ knowing that even though I'm being a huge hypocrite ♥♥♥♥♥♥-bag right now for using this ♥♥♥♥ty set, at least it's from experiance.
My god this weapon is so ♥♥♥♥ty I'm not using it I'm just ♥♥♥♥ing disturbed by this weapon's stats; they're complete trash and horrible on so many levels.

Only good thing from the set is the hat itself, which can do great combos.
Anyways, my point is this is a ♥♥♥♥ty item set I've been using for god knows how long and really hope they fix this stupid ♥♥♥♥ty set, my god.
ugh.
I should go back to KGB Stock sandvich combo now oh my god.

Last edited by Lucais; May 13 @ 1:56pm
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John Caveson May 13 @ 2:03pm 
Woah, just chillax there shadow.

1.) Tomislav got nerfed hard, yes. They should buff spin-up cack to ~20-25%. Would balance out the -20% fire rate, while not be as ridiculous as 40% pre-nerf.

2.) Family Business is balanced. Perhaps a damage buff a hair would do. It is blalanced, but just a boring +/- stat weapon that falls in favor of the food items.

3.) Eviction notice definitely needs something going for it. The faster swing rate is just not gonna cut it.
GarnetSnatcher May 13 @ 2:15pm 
1. Tomislav got a big nerf, but it's good for a heavy who's good at flanking.
2. Family Business is balanced, and useful for when you can't rev your minigun too quickly, I.E Brass Beast.
3.Eviction Notice is terrible, everyone knows it.
Lucais (Banned) May 13 @ 2:41pm 
Originally posted by John Caveson:
Woah, just chillax there shadow.

1.) Tomislav got nerfed hard, yes. They should buff spin-up cack to ~20-25%. Would balance out the -20% fire rate, while not be as ridiculous as 40% pre-nerf.

2.) Family Business is balanced. Perhaps a damage buff a hair would do. It is blalanced, but just a boring +/- stat weapon that falls in favor of the food items.

3.) Eviction notice definitely needs something going for it. The faster swing rate is just not gonna cut it.
Entirely disagree with the FB being balanced.
Entirely agree with the EN

Originally posted by GarnetSnatcher:
1. Tomislav got a big nerf, but it's good for a heavy who's good at flanking.
2. Family Business is balanced, and useful for when you can't rev your minigun too quickly, I.E Brass Beast.
3.Eviction Notice is terrible, everyone knows it.
a good flanker won't need the tomislav.
FB would still be trashy for compensating for the Brass Beast's heavy because the reloading time is way longer.
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
a good flanker won't need the tomislav.
I'm not a fan of the tomi either but that's not really an argument. A good pyro won't need the degreaser, or a good demo won't need sticky spam, or a good medic won't need anything but medigun. That doesn't mean that good pyros should never use degreaser, good demos should never use stickies offensively, and good medics should only ever use stock, if you look at competitive it's actually quite the opposite. "Won't need" and "shouldn't use" are not the same thing at all.
Soreasan May 13 @ 3:01pm 
I think the Tomislav is fine as is, but i would like to see a more interesting mechanic on it to make it worthwhile.
I think it'd be interesting if the Tomislav gave you a tiny bit more mobility too, such as being able to move at a slightly faster speed when the minigun is revved but not firing. That'd help you ambush with the weapon a bit easier.
Lucais (Banned) May 13 @ 3:10pm 
Originally posted by I play osu so must be good scout:
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
a good flanker won't need the tomislav.
I'm not a fan of the tomi either but that's not really an argument. A good pyro won't need the degreaser, or a good demo won't need sticky spam, or a good medic won't need anything but medigun. That doesn't mean that good pyros should never use degreaser, good demos should never use stickies offensively, and good medics should only ever use stock, if you look at competitive it's actually quite the opposite. "Won't need" and "shouldn't use" are not the same thing at all.
you do have a good arguement but there are superior alternatives to the tomi, including stock.
you really won't need the tomislav if you're going to deal less damage with the weapon while flanking.
Plus ambushing is pretty much the only good the tomislav can do, but it really decreases damage output as a heavy.


Originally posted by Soreasan:
I think the Tomislav is fine as is, but i would like to see a more interesting mechanic on it to make it worthwhile.
I think it'd be interesting if the Tomislav gave you a tiny bit more mobility too, such as being able to move at a slightly faster speed when the minigun is revved but not firing. That'd help you ambush with the weapon a bit easier.
Something% more accuracy can work I guess with a larger ammo reserve
I don't really have any ideas, but it's a thin/small barrel so it could problably work.
If anything for buffing it's own stats, give it +30% faster revving speed.
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GarnetSnatcher May 13 @ 3:15pm 
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Originally posted by I play osu so must be good scout:
I'm not a fan of the tomi either but that's not really an argument. A good pyro won't need the degreaser, or a good demo won't need sticky spam, or a good medic won't need anything but medigun. That doesn't mean that good pyros should never use degreaser, good demos should never use stickies offensively, and good medics should only ever use stock, if you look at competitive it's actually quite the opposite. "Won't need" and "shouldn't use" are not the same thing at all.
you do have a good arguement but there are superior alternatives to the tomi, including stock.
you really won't need the tomislav if you're going to deal less damage with the weapon while flanking.
Plus ambushing is pretty much the only good the tomislav can do, but it really decreases damage output as a heavy.
If you have that kind of DPS, Suprising enemies will be decimated.
Sure, wha about defending a point?
Brass Beast and Huo Long fill that in.
EVERY minigun is situational.
Brass Beast isn't good at offense, due to rev time.
Huo Long isn't good at offense, due to ammo consumption.
Get it now?
The only minigun that isn't like that is stock.
Lucais (Banned) May 13 @ 3:49pm 
Originally posted by GarnetSnatcher:
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
you do have a good arguement but there are superior alternatives to the tomi, including stock.
you really won't need the tomislav if you're going to deal less damage with the weapon while flanking.
Plus ambushing is pretty much the only good the tomislav can do, but it really decreases damage output as a heavy.
If you have that kind of DPS, Suprising enemies will be decimated.
Sure, wha about defending a point?
Brass Beast and Huo Long fill that in.
EVERY minigun is situational.
Brass Beast isn't good at offense, due to rev time.
Huo Long isn't good at offense, due to ammo consumption.
Get it now?
The only minigun that isn't like that is stock.
Brass Beast and the Heater work on payload, cp, doomsday, and koth.
Natascha is superb at ctf, cp, doomdsday, pl and koth.

tomi-slav is good for nothing since stock can do what it does just as good or better.
tomi is weak at koth, cp, doomsday, pl, and ctf.
Ralphanine, the almighty (Banned) May 13 @ 4:01pm 
Tomi is fine on maps with tight hallways, but on open maps it's pretty bad.
Dime, TF2 Secret Service Agent (Banned) May 13 @ 4:05pm 
Only problem i have with you, shadowcon, is that you provide nearly NO PROOF WHATSOEVER on WHATEVER THE CRAP YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVE.
Lucais (Banned) May 13 @ 4:14pm 
Originally posted by DimeTheScumbag: Sgt. Muffins:
Only problem i have with you, shadowcon, is that you provide nearly NO PROOF WHATSOEVER on WHATEVER THE CRAP YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVE.
Tomislav statistics.
Attack interval 0.12 s
Windup time 0.783 s

Minigun's statistics
Attack interval 0.1 s
Windup time 0.87 s

Your damage output is decreased by the tomislav, and ultimatly the windup time for tomislav is not worth it since stock's windup time is 0.87, only being a little slower than the tomislav; but however being more effective than the tomislav.
Dime, TF2 Secret Service Agent (Banned) May 13 @ 4:16pm 
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Originally posted by DimeTheScumbag: Sgt. Muffins:
Only problem i have with you, shadowcon, is that you provide nearly NO PROOF WHATSOEVER on WHATEVER THE CRAP YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVE.
Tomislav statistics.
Attack interval 0.12 s
Windup time 0.783 s

Minigun's statistics
Attack interval 0.1 s
Windup time 0.87 s

Your damage output is decreased by the tomislav, and ultimatly the windup time for tomislav is not worth it since stock's windup time is 0.87, only being a little slower than the tomislav; but however being more effective than the tomislav.
Thank you for providing proof. I agreed with you from the start, as the tomislav is kinda useless, but I do like it for when i go rockem sockem heavy as it gives me a quick burst of damage.
Ashton May 13 @ 4:18pm 
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Originally posted by GarnetSnatcher:
If you have that kind of DPS, Suprising enemies will be decimated.
Sure, wha about defending a point?
Brass Beast and Huo Long fill that in.
EVERY minigun is situational.
Brass Beast isn't good at offense, due to rev time.
Huo Long isn't good at offense, due to ammo consumption.
Get it now?
The only minigun that isn't like that is stock.
Brass Beast and the Heater work on payload, cp, doomsday, and koth.
Natascha is superb at ctf, cp, doomdsday, pl and koth.

tomi-slav is good for nothing since stock can do what it does just as good or better.
tomi is weak at koth, cp, doomsday, pl, and ctf.
Bass Beast and heater are good for defense due to their side benefits.

Nastacha isnt superb at anything.

Tomislav is good for suprising enemies since they cant hear you, and is perfect for Being stealthy and stuff.

The Family Business is actually a really good training shotgun. The damage reduction means you have to land more accurate shots to deal enough damage, the clip size makes missing forgivable, and the movement speed of the Heavy makes it easier to aim.

Eviction notice just doesnt make sense. Why are brass knuckles dealing less damage than fists?
Mewtwo May 13 @ 4:25pm 
Originally posted by Bro-Ccoli:
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Brass Beast and the Heater work on payload, cp, doomsday, and koth.
Natascha is superb at ctf, cp, doomdsday, pl and koth.

tomi-slav is good for nothing since stock can do what it does just as good or better.
tomi is weak at koth, cp, doomsday, pl, and ctf.
Bass Beast and heater are good for defense due to their side benefits.

Nastacha isnt superb at anything.

Tomislav is good for suprising enemies since they cant hear you, and is perfect for Being stealthy and stuff.

The Family Business is actually a really good training shotgun. The damage reduction means you have to land more accurate shots to deal enough damage, the clip size makes missing forgivable, and the movement speed of the Heavy makes it easier to aim.

Eviction notice just doesnt make sense. Why are brass knuckles dealing less damage than fists?

I agree somewhat with everything you said (Bass Beast lol) except for the Family Buisness.

Even if the Family Business is a "training shotgun" why would you use it when what you are training toward, the Shotgun, is terrible when compared to the Sandvich?

I don't really get the argument of it being a training weapon when what you should be doing is using the incredibly superior Sandvich at all times.

(Edit: Unless you are playing as the Fat Scout. In that case, plz continue.)


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Princess Celestia (Banned) May 13 @ 4:32pm 
I say give tomislav 50% more ammo and a tight bullet spread.
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